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I just learned that Star Wars.com, has a new trailer.

I thinks it's looking good except for the whole Jabba's son thing (Tatooine: Hey guys I'm relevant again!). I'm seeing a lot of clones and droids, which should make all of us dozen or so talifans happy.

There's also a pretty cool preview called The Clone Wars: Epic Battles.

It looks good. I like the animation style as well, though I hear some people are having a problem with it.

When was Tattooine not relevant?

does indeed look good, but i'm neither sure whether or not i should like the animation style

Hey, guess what Karen. Looks like the Hutts are the important third faction, not the Mandos.

More seriously, eh. While it's not unreasonable that the Republic should care about Jabba, any little helps, is that really an adequate use of the time of two important generals?

NecronLord wrote:Hey, guess what Karen. Looks like the Hutts are the important third faction, not the Mandos.

More seriously, eh. While it's not unreasonable that the Republic should care about Jabba, any little helps, is that really an adequate use of the time of two important generals?

I like that it establishes the Hutts as a clan and not a species. That just fucked up a whole shit load of EU. But of course now Jabba has a son. GL giveth and GL taketh away.

havokeff wrote:

NecronLord wrote:Hey, guess what Karen. Looks like the Hutts are the important third faction, not the Mandos.

More seriously, eh. While it's not unreasonable that the Republic should care about Jabba, any little helps, is that really an adequate use of the time of two important generals?

I like that it establishes the Hutts as a clan and not a species. That just fucked up a whole shit load of EU. But of course now Jabba has a son. GL giveth and GL taketh away.

The problem is that it fucks up some of the best of the EU, the Han solo trilogy. (Not just Darksaber crap, which copied Durga from the Han solo books).

DEATH wrote:

havokeff wrote:

NecronLord wrote:Hey, guess what Karen. Looks like the Hutts are the important third faction, not the Mandos.

More seriously, eh. While it's not unreasonable that the Republic should care about Jabba, any little helps, is that really an adequate use of the time of two important generals?

I like that it establishes the Hutts as a clan and not a species. That just fucked up a whole shit load of EU. But of course now Jabba has a son. GL giveth and GL taketh away.

The problem is that it fucks up some of the best of the EU, the Han solo trilogy. (Not just Darksaber crap, which copied Durga from the Han solo books).

DEATH, at this point, I want the whole EU trashed. The good stuff can be reworked to fit back in if it is really worth it.

havokeff wrote:

NecronLord wrote:Hey, guess what Karen. Looks like the Hutts are the important third faction, not the Mandos.

More seriously, eh. While it's not unreasonable that the Republic should care about Jabba, any little helps, is that really an adequate use of the time of two important generals?

I like that it establishes the Hutts as a clan and not a species. That just fucked up a whole shit load of EU. But of course now Jabba has a son. GL giveth and GL taketh away.

It could've just meant Jabba's clan, not necessarily the entire race.

DEATH wrote:

havokeff wrote:

NecronLord wrote:Hey, guess what Karen. Looks like the Hutts are the important third faction, not the Mandos.

More seriously, eh. While it's not unreasonable that the Republic should care about Jabba, any little helps, is that really an adequate use of the time of two important generals?

I like that it establishes the Hutts as a clan and not a species. That just fucked up a whole shit load of EU. But of course now Jabba has a son. GL giveth and GL taketh away.

The problem is that it fucks up some of the best of the EU, the Han solo trilogy. (Not just Darksaber crap, which copied Durga from the Han solo books).

Well, actually it is the other way around; Durga was invented for Darksaber, then transplanted to the (new) Han Solo trilogy via Shadows of the Empire...

General Schatten wrote:I just learned that Star Wars.com, has a new trailer.

I thinks it's looking good except for the whole Jabba's son thing (Tatooine: Hey guys I'm relevant again!). I'm seeing a lot of clones and droids, which should make all of us dozen or so talifans happy.

There's also a pretty cool preview called The Clone Wars: Epic Battles.

Ugh... This crappy cartoon style looks even worse in three dimensions; the worst of two worlds, Wallace and Gromit and Lego Star Wars...

And am I dreaming, or are people over there deliberately trying to kriff up the continuity? Anakin's Secret Apprentice? Jaaaay... And apparently the Hutts are not a species anymore...

It's not a "secret" apprentice by any means. IIRC the Togruta kid is assigned to him specifically after he reaches knighthood.

So far so good to me, i'm liking the scale of the battles being shown so far. The Jabba thing isn't so bad seeing as how the continuity has already treated the Hutts as a somewhat important neutral faction in the war, i'll have to see it first.

Darth Hoth wrote:

General Schatten wrote:I just learned that Star Wars.com, has a new trailer.

I thinks it's looking good except for the whole Jabba's son thing (Tatooine: Hey guys I'm relevant again!). I'm seeing a lot of clones and droids, which should make all of us dozen or so talifans happy.

There's also a pretty cool preview called The Clone Wars: Epic Battles.

Darth Hoth wrote:And am I dreaming, or are people over there deliberately trying to kriff up the continuity?

Seeing that George Lucas has been heavily involved in the CW series, I think they may kriff up whatever he wants.

Darth Hoth wrote:Anakin's Secret Apprentice? Jaaaay...

Where is it specified that Ahsoka is Anakin's secret apprentice?

Darth Hoth wrote:And apparently the Hutts are not a species anymore...

Which G-canon source names Hutts as a species? T-canon takes precedence over C-canon as per Chee.

Mange wrote:Seeing that George Lucas has been heavily involved in the CW series, I think they may kriff up whatever he wants.

Of course they can, if they have his permission. For that matter, so can Traviss, since she has LFL's. Does this mean I have to like either case or cannot complain about them?

Where is it specified that Ahsoka is Anakin's secret apprentice?

That was me being sarcastic and alluding to the fact that she is a recent insert pretty much crammed into the canon, that has never been mentioned before or after and is included for KEWLness.

Which G-canon source names Hutts as a species? T-canon takes precedence over C-canon as per Chee.

Once again, they are perfectly within their rights to do whatever they kriffing like. This still does not mean that I also have to like it or cannot complain about it, however.

Darth Hoth wrote:Of course they can, if they have his permission. For that matter, so can Traviss, since she has LFL's. Does this mean I have to like either case or cannot complain about them?
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Once again, they are perfectly within their rights to do whatever they kriffing like. This still does not mean that I also have to like it or cannot complain about it, however.

Well, there's this thing called magnitude, a maximum of 3 million soldiers in a galactic-wide conflict is certainly greater in inherent idiocy than Yoda placing a padawan under Anakin for unknown reasons. So the question is does your reasoning for throwing a tantrum over a change in continuity have enough merit for us to take you seriously? As far as I can tell, that's a big negative, little buddy.

havokeff wrote:But of course now Jabba has a son. GL giveth and GL taketh away.

I don't see why Jabba shouldn't have a son. Unless of course, you think that the colossal bloated crime fiend doesn't enjoy a good time?

Of course, here's a hideous prospect; it's by one of his unfortunate humanoid slaves... Nah. I'm just kidding with you. I don't think that one's going to happen...

General Schatten wrote:Well, there's this thing called magnitude, a maximum of 3 million soldiers in a galactic-wide conflict is certainly greater in inherent idiocy than Yoda placing a padawan under Anakin for unknown reasons. So the question is does your reasoning for throwing a tantrum over a change in continuity have enough merit for us to take you seriously? As far as I can tell, that's a big negative, little buddy.

I am not saying the two are equal; all I am saying is that using the "George Lucas approves, so there is no problem" approach is very similar to the "TRAVISS IZ T3H CANNON SO STFU!!!111" Fandalorian attitude that one frequently encounters when one strays too close to their nests. If it is to be criticised on grounds of logic, maintaining of previous canon or suspension of disbelief, it does not really matter all that much to me whether a particular item is C-, G-, or T-tagged.

Feel free to take my reasoning however you want; this is a question of personal opinion, where no one can be inherently right. The item in question itself is in the canon now, so I am required to accept it like the rest of us, in any case.

Uhhh...what about that trailer established Hutts as not a species?

I thought the preview was okay.

I thought it was odd that the Clonetroopers and all the tech stuff look pretty similar to the movie version but most of the other characters look kind of freaky.

Yoda, for one, looked horrible.

Dooku was strange but I kind of liked him anyway. Other than that it was a very weird style choice to go for. It's like half stylized half not.

Anguirus wrote:Uhhh...what about that trailer established Hutts as not a species?

Because some people have decided to take a very strict interpetation of the term "Hutt Clan" methinks.

Darth Hoth wrote:

General Schatten wrote:Well, there's this thing called magnitude, a maximum of 3 million soldiers in a galactic-wide conflict is certainly greater in inherent idiocy than Yoda placing a padawan under Anakin for unknown reasons. So the question is does your reasoning for throwing a tantrum over a change in continuity have enough merit for us to take you seriously? As far as I can tell, that's a big negative, little buddy.

I am not saying the two are equal; all I am saying is that using the "George Lucas approves, so there is no problem" approach is very similar to the "TRAVISS IZ T3H CANNON SO STFU!!!111" Fandalorian attitude that one frequently encounters when one strays too close to their nests. If it is to be criticised on grounds of logic, maintaining of previous canon or suspension of disbelief, it does not really matter all that much to me whether a particular item is C-, G-, or T-tagged.

Then you need to shut the fuck up; since you want to disregard the canon hierarchy. The fact of the matter is, Lucas owns Star Wars, when he says his shit (G-Canon: All Lucas products or taken directly from Lucas' products) overrides Karen's then bully for the inclusionists. Karens bullshit is not canon because G-Canon sources specifically state an intergalactic war including Curtis Saxtons low-tier G-Canon books, which describe Acclamators as being full (16k troop complement). For there to be three million Clone Troopers, there'd need to be a maximum of 187.5 total, which RotS blows right the fuck out of the water.

NecronLord wrote:Hey, guess what Karen. Looks like the Hutts are the important third faction, not the Mandos.

I'm not so sure thats actually an improvement.

General Schatten wrote:Then you need to shut the fuck up; since you want to disregard the canon hierarchy. The fact of the matter is, Lucas owns Star Wars, when he says his shit (G-Canon: All Lucas products or taken directly from Lucas' products) overrides Karen's then bully for the inclusionists. Karens bullshit is not canon because G-Canon sources specifically state an intergalactic war including Curtis Saxtons low-tier G-Canon books, which describe Acclamators as being full (16k troop complement). For there to be three million Clone Troopers, there'd need to be a maximum of 187.5 total, which RotS blows right the fuck out of the water.

Why do people always think that I support Traviss whenever I criticise Lucas? I deplore her wanktardries as deeply as anyone else here; in this case, I was arguing against stupid argumentation alone. The original matter was one of opinion and purely artistic taste, not one of canon hierarchy; I was always clear that I would not disregard elements just because I did not like them. And as a sidenote, your argument does not dispel the various other stupidities (in Legacy, for example), although I wish it would.

Wait... the Saxton books are G-canon? I thought that part of the hierarchy was films only, with all books going into the C-canon?

Darth Hoth wrote:Why do people always think that I support Traviss whenever I criticise Lucas? I deplore her wanktardries as deeply as anyone else here; in this case, I was arguing against stupid argumentation alone.

No one said you did, I'm pointing out why the circumstances are different, dumbshit. Lucas owns the franchise, Karen does not. It's like trying to compare an abortion to infanticide. One has more rights because of their status.

The original matter was one of opinion and purely artistic taste, not one of canon hierarchy; I was always clear that I would not disregard elements just because I did not like them. And as a sidenote, your argument does not dispel the various other stupidities (in Legacy, for example), although I wish it would.

Again, it's not my intention to get rid of stupidities in Star Wars. Do you mean Legacy of the Force or Legacy?

Wait... the Saxton books are G-canon? I thought that part of the hierarchy was films only, with all books going into the C-canon?

Last I'd heard the ICS and Into the Worlds are very low G-Canon, since they are extrapolations from the movies rather than just completely different stories.

As far as I know Canon Hierarchy remains:
G-Canon: Movies, Novelizations, and any manuals directly used for the movies.
T-Canon: The Clone Wars and Unknown Live-Action Series.
C-Canon: Books, Games, Comics, and Tech Manuals on EU related materials.

Darth Fanboy wrote:

Anguirus wrote:Uhhh...what about that trailer established Hutts as not a species?

Because some people have decided to take a very strict interpetation of the term "Hutt Clan" methinks.

Well...what has been the established name of Jabba's race/species? Hutts. Now Hutt is being referred to as a clan. It's not exactly a giant leap in logic to say GL just fucked up the EU and now Jabba has a new species name and Hutt is the name of his crime syndicate or at least a clan of his own race.

Lucas doesn't seem to be keeping consistent even with the movies. In TPM Panaka calls the Hutts "an alliance of gangs," implying that Hutt is simply a title, yet the context it's used in ROTJ (not to mention the "Huttese" language) really stretches the credulity of that, unless it's both the title and the name of the species.