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If one were to combine the upper-end examples of all known canon Force powers (from all traditions, including wank like the Aing-Tii) in one individual, how powerful would he be? What would it take to bring him down?

Wouldn't he be Anakin at his full potential? Something about being 200% of the Emperor's power?

"Power" in the Midichlorian-Meter sense is nigh-meaningless, as it is essentially unquantifiable. The question was, using specific examples from the canon, what an Uberjedi/Sith could do if he could do everything that anyone else had ever done.

Darth Hoth wrote:"Power" in the Midichlorian-Meter sense is nigh-meaningless, as it is essentially unquantifiable.

Im not saying anything about power based on Midichlorians, I am simply refering to what Mr. Lucas said in one of the commentaries that Anakin would have been twice as strong as the Emperor had he reached his full potential.

The question was, using specific examples from the canon, what an Uberjedi/Sith could do if he could do everything that anyone else had ever done.

Flow Walk
Force Storms (is that what its called? That wormhole that Palpatine can do)
Uh, drain the Force out of entire planets

Darth Ruinus wrote:Im not saying anything about power based on Midichlorians, I am simply refering to what Mr. Lucas said in one of the commentaries that Anakin would have been twice as strong as the Emperor had he reached his full potential.

Yes, but is that a quantifiable statement? What power level, exactly, does it imply? And was he referring to canon Palpatine from DE or film Palpatine?

Anakin's full potential (and Luke's) canonically exceeds that of Palpatine. Personally, I consider the Skywalkers and Palpatine in a class of their own.

Point conceded. But the main point of this thread was to see what this hypothetical could do in actual terms, not whether he would be "stronger" than x on some abstract scale.

Isn't it implied that the Ai Ting actually move their starships through the force? It may be a group effort of course But Talon Karrade's old boss (Jorj Cardas?) could teleport small objects in the force.

Well the Aing-Tii can teleport; Darth Nihilus can consume the life of entire planets through the Force; Darth Sidious can reincarnate, assimilate other Force magi, empower beings through the Force, communicate across great distances, feed on the lives of others, kill at a great distance, telekinetically throw multi-ton objects, move much faster than the eye can follow, and summon Force storms - both with controls sufficiently fine to extract a male human and an astromech droid from the surface of an ecumenopolitan world and translate them to a birth aboard a dungeon ship (light years away??), or powerful enough to destroy fleets of large dedicated warships capable of shrugging off gigaton-yield blasts.

I think I remember Vader Force-choking Xizor over lightyears in Shadows of the Empire. So attacks can be quite discriminate and performed over great range.

With regards to mind control, have we seen anything more powerful than C'baoth in terms of scale?

And of course, we have the real whacky stuff, like Cody Sunn-Childe building cities out of pure magic and conjuring up space monsters supposedly capable of eating a half-dozen ISDs. (Marvel Star Wars)

Are there any hard data on precog given? Kadann supposedly predicted Palpatine's death; is that typical of their long-term accuracy? How useful is precog at its best in combat?

Darth Hoth wrote:If one were to combine the upper-end examples of all known canon Force powers (from all traditions, including wank like the Aing-Tii) in one individual, how powerful would he be?

About as powerful as Jacen Solo.

What would it take to bring him down?

Shitty writing.

Solo's not even close to the strongest. What's his most impressive feat, besides glowing wank-writing. Exposition isn't equivalent to demonstrated feats.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Solo's not even close to the strongest. What's his most impressive feat, besides glowing wank-writing. Exposition isn't equivalent to demonstrated feats.

Yes, but he was supposed to be that guy - the one who was high powered, who knew all the uber abilities of every tradition and thus was a major threat. Except that the idea was a piece of shit.

Lets see, you have the battle meditation from KOTOR I, consuming the life force of entire worlds in KOTOR II, the "You can't really kill me becasue my hatred is keeping my body together" thing from KOTOR II, then there's the "I moved star systems to escape" from one of the Young Jedi books, (Shadow Academy I think it was.). Then you've got Kipp's "I can navigate through hyperspace with ease despite their being dozens of black holes nearby". Throw in the Force Crushing though hyperspace, the FLT senses of Yoda, Force Storms that engulf planets, I'm probably missing many things.
How to kill such a being? Tactical Nuclear spamming.

Darth Hoth wrote:If one were to combine the upper-end examples of all known canon Force powers (from all traditions, including wank like the Aing-Tii) in one individual, how powerful would he be? What would it take to bring him down?

"...he will be a creature such as the universe has never seen. The supernova of stars in fleeting thought. The eradication of life from a star system in a whisper, will be within his power."

That sounds cool, what's that from?

That's Rahn from Dark Forces II, explaining to Kyle in a vision what Jerec would become if he gained control of the Valley of the Jedi.

Basically, Jacen Solo multiplied by Kyp Durron/Anakin Skywalker?

how powerful would he be?

We'd be talking about a guy who can teleport huge objects across the galaxy instantaneously, freely walk through time and influence the past and future, able to be LITERALLY invisible (both to Force users and to cameras) and create vast complex illusions that register to sensors as what they are supposed to be, control minds and kill people from vast distances. He can create force bubble shields to block any physical attacks, and control the minds of his opponents and sense any deceptions and plots against him.

He'd be able to absorb any kind of energy a la Corran Horn/Darth Vader/Jacen Solo, so you can't just blow him up with a bomb or by nuking his starship- and if we're REALLY trying to overpower him, who knows, he might be able to survive planetary destruction by absorbing some of the blast and using it to shield himself from the rest (much like Corran survived standing on ground zero of an explosion that was supposed to level several kilometers of city in I, Jedi). And obviously, he'd be immune to blaster bolts and even lightsabers (Corran Horn's birth father Nejaa Halcyon absorbed a lightsaber after he'd been stabbed with it and used the energy to kill someone else. He died from the stab wound, but we'd assume our uberjedi would handle it better).

And he'd be able to freely see force visions of all possible futures, so no surprise attacks. And teleport himself and/or his ship to the other side of the galaxy if he felt remotely threatened.

Essentially, a guy who is virtually invincible (how would you kill him?). He can sense all danger before it happens, survive any form of attack (absorb any energy/repel anything physical with the force), teleport anywhere instantly, and go back in time and kill your grandma if he feels like it.

What would it take to bring him down?

Q? Bad writers? Chuck Norris?

Killing him? By writer fiat, of course. Look up Pun-Pun over on Wizards of the Coast's message boards. Same concept, based off what I've read in this thread.

A Force user that had full knowledge, control of all known demonstrated or discussed force techniques, as well as the knowledge, creativity, will and training to properly use them.

Well, that person would be a diety.

Consider; FLT movement + communication, possibly instantaneously, teleportation, and the rearrangement of matter on the molecular, possibly atomic level, able to create cures, toxins, and possibly life from the basic building blocks there of.

The power to rip stars apart, destroy fleets + planets, and control the minds of millions upon billions of beings.

That's what you'd have.

The only way to kill such a being?

Another being of that power.

He will be omnipotent and omniscient, controlling everything that happens. That cannot be a good thing too happen.

Solauren wrote: The only way to kill such a being?

Another being of that power.

And by the time they finish fighting, there is nothing left to fight over.

TC Pilot wrote:

Darth Hoth wrote:If one were to combine the upper-end examples of all known canon Force powers (from all traditions, including wank like the Aing-Tii) in one individual, how powerful would he be? What would it take to bring him down?

"...he will be a creature such as the universe has never seen. The supernova of stars in fleeting thought. The eradication of life from a star system in a whisper, will be within his power."

Right, together with WotC's "Dark Force Saga" fluff that made Valley Jerec literally omniscient. I forgot about that. How about we skip that one, though? It is arguably not an ability, but an enhancer (and if we go with it, the hypothetical wank literally becomes a god).

How about we skip that one, though?

Why? A being composed of every powerful Force user's most stupendous talents and skills would be able to do just that. It wasn't trying to prove the being would be Valley Jerec, it's a cool quote that coincidentally fits the being you wish described.

Well, since he's still an organic being, wouldn't he have to sleep? And would his/its focus be limited the way that ours is, or is there a canon instance of some being that is capable of being *constantly* aware of everything that their senses are percieving and simultaneously focusing on it all at once?

Because no matter how powerful he is, once he falls asleep there is nothing he can do to defend himself. He could blow apart the planet and disappear to the far reaches of space in a second, but if he isn't doing that at the moment, someone can cut him in half.

Or have i underestimated the level of wankery that would make Darth Plageuis shudder? (I have little to no EU knowledge)

-AHMAD

BountyHunterSAx wrote:Well, since he's still an organic being, wouldn't he have to sleep? And would his/its focus be limited the way that ours is, or is there a canon instance of some being that is capable of being *constantly* aware of everything that their senses are percieving and simultaneously focusing on it all at once?

Because no matter how powerful he is, once he falls asleep there is nothing he can do to defend himself. He could blow apart the planet and disappear to the far reaches of space in a second, but if he isn't doing that at the moment, someone can cut him in half.

There's mention somewhere (perhaps the ROTS Visual Dictionary) that Palpatine no longer sleeps, due to concerns resulting from the murder of Plaugueis.

Certain other Sith Lords, like Sion or Nihilus, might also not sleep anymore.