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Coiler wrote:As I'm both curious about and have no desire to purchase Karen Traviss' Clone Wars novelization, I want to ask some questions about it, for the unlucky ones who have it.

1: Are Mandos and how awesome they are mentioned in the novel? If so, how often?

2: How bad is Traviss' trademark Jedi hate in that novel?

3: From a purely literary perspective, how good or bad is the novel?

Darksider wrote:*Snip enders synopsis*

WHAT?

Dooku wanting to bring down the republic because he had to kill a bunch of amoral mercenaries? How the fuck does Traviss' shit get past the fucking radar?

This completly clashes with the portrayal of Dooku in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous and oh, I don't know, the fucking movies.

I am getting so sick of traviss' horseshit. Someone needs to fire the bitch, right the fuck now.

Aratech wrote: Which book is that from? That said, her first couple of novels (Hard Contact and Triple Zero) aren't terribly bad. Then again, they were written before she went off on her three million clones spiel.

page 37 - 39 wrote: I've spent years preparing to break the Republic's strangle-hold. Years. A long way to go, still, but it'll come. The galaxy is ready for it. Worlds want to run their own affairs. Make it happen soon, Darth Sidious. The Republic's the worst kind of dictatorship-a pseudo-democracy cloaked in smiles and tolerance, as long as you do as it says.

And I will not do as anyone says. I'll think for myself.

Dooku stared into the mesh of light that showed the plan of a castle-like structure full of passages, chambers, and high walls.
Don't think, Padawan Dooku

"You were wrong then, Jedi," he said aloud. "And you're wrong now."

Destiny was not about feeling; destiny was about thinking, about rationality. Dooku didn't see reacting blindly to feelings as some mystic virtue, but as a weakness.

In a child, he would have punished it as giving in to impulses, a lack of maturity and self-control.

As a child, he had been trained not to think. As a child, he had been trained to be a Jedi.

Don't question so much, Padawan Dooku. Feel. Don't doubt. Believe.

Well, he questioned things now. And he didn't believe. The Republic was corrupt to its core, and the Jedi were its lackeys-sanctimonious mercenaries. Their comfortable little cartel was coming to an end. Darth Sidious would finish it off, and Dooku knew it was his moral duty to help bring about that day,

Then he saw the snow again, not the polished apocia wood desk; a battlefield in winter, finally silent. The schematic's hair-fine lines of red light became spatters and trails of blood that Dooku feared he would never be able to wash from his hands.

He was standing ankle-deep in the muffled, ice-cold whiteness of Galidraan in winter. Jedi and Mandalorian dead lay every-where. And he could still hear his own appalled voice, his own shame.

What have we done?

It was a massacre; and the Jedi had carried it out, pawns of the corrupt Galidraan governor, who had set up the Mandalorian army for his own agenda. Looking back on it, Dooku saw it was the tipping point that had changed his life. It was the moment he had started to think.

I believed my Masters. I didn't think for myself. They didn't question, either; they took the governor at his word. They just believed. And we killed people. We killed them on the say-so of a criminal.

If you were going to take lives, go to war, then there was no benefit of the doubt to be given, no other's word to take. Dooku trusted only proof now.

What have I done?

You came to your senses.

But I'm setting up the Jedi now. That makes me as degenerate as they are.

Think of it as using their own complacency against them. Turning their own weapon on them. Poetic justice. Whatever it takes. They won't say sorry and step down simply because you point out the error of the Republic's ways, will they?

He had these arguments with himself more than ever lately.

The snow had melted; the dead were buried. But he couldn't erase Jango Fett's face, the face of a man back from the living death of a slavery that Dooku had delivered him into, etched with all the bitter lines of surviving only to have his moment of justice. It was always the last image to leave Dooku. It wasn't just the millions of troops cloned from Fett that made forgetting impossible. It was that Fett hadn't lived to see the downfall of the Jedi. Fett's motive for sharing - aiding - Dooku's ambition hadn't been greed, he realized, but the same understanding that the Jedi Order was a destructive, destabilizing cabal.

The Jedi had killed Fett in the end. But most of him seemed to have died at Galidraan anyway, and only his insatiable hunger for justice had kept that formidable body moving.

We'll have our day, Fett.

Dooku opened the comlink again, this time to the monastery on Teth. It was time for the next stage of the operation.

"Ventress," he said. "Ventress, is the Huttlet all right? Bring me up to speed."

Illuminatus Primus wrote:What a bitch. Well we know now Lucas doesn't give a damn or doesn't actually check his novelisations. You'd think the Jedi were the bad guys from her books.

Ender wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:What a bitch. Well we know now Lucas doesn't give a damn or doesn't actually check his novelisations. You'd think the Jedi were the bad guys from her books.

I strongly suspect she needed a cigarette after that paragraph about Jango's formidable body running only in pursuit of justice.

But hey, Dooku isn['t an evil bastard out to help Palpatine set up an empire, they are going to destroy the republic and sow freedom throughout the stars. And the Republic were destabilizing, and didn't protect the government for 25,000 years.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Its not like Dooku is a human supremacist eugenicist aristocratic douchebag, right? A traitor and a liar several times over, and a power hungry totalitarian? If he was being honest to himself in the ROTS novelisation, Palpatine did the galaxy a favor by killing him off in favor of Anakin.

About the only part of the quoted section that is consistent with established character is that both DR and ROTS

Imperial Overlord wrote:what is "DR"?

Karmic Knight wrote:

Imperial Overlord wrote:what is "DR"?

Dark Rendezvous, if I am not mistaken.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Jesus, what a sanctimonious bitch. Well we know now Lucas doesn't give a damn or doesn't actually check his novelizations. You'd think the Jedi were the bad guys from her books.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Not to mention he had zilch of loyalty to Jango, and set him up to whack one of his former Padawans to remove him of a headache. Along the way, setting him up in a death competion with another Mandalorian, Montross, who was by all account less honorable than Jango, and whom Dooku had no qualms about using should he survive rather than Jango.

But that's probably some of the established continuity that Traviss just ignores.

TC Pilot wrote:Actually, he rather visibly reacts to Jango's decapitation.

Check around 3:45. Though in-context, it seems to be more out of Boba's presence than any personal sense of camaraderie between Jango and Dooku, considering even Mace seems a little ashamed of himself.

Granted, this is a minor nitpick. The quoted passage is assinine.

Ender wrote:On page 38 we learn that Dooku is trying to destroy the Republic because they sent him and the Jedi to go and kill the noble Mandalorians. Dooku is quite upset that Jango was killed before he could see Dooku avenge the Mandalorians against the Republic and the Jedi.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Not to mention he had zilch of loyalty to Jango, and set him up to whack one of his former Padawans to remove him of a headache.