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I'm getting a 404

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:I'm getting a 404

Mother of FUCK!

I'll zip the entire thing for ya.....get ready for a 3 MB cosmic
ray to hit your e-mail account!

Chapter ten is missing.

Raxmei wrote:Chapter ten is missing.

Fixed that. damn naming convetions.

Excellent, When I become emperor of humanity your public service will not be forgotten...

Not to say I dont like all the information at my fingertips that you present, but how is this not plagarism?

I thought it was fairly obvious it is....lol.

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I thought it was fairly obvious it is....lol.

Just making sure

<high-pitched chipmunk voice> Impressive, Sheppard, most impressive.

The SSD is not 8km long.

USAF, you gotta take the good with the bad. This book is WEG stuff, so you're going to have to deal with a little bit of error.

Hmmm. Despite some errors, this has some nice common-sense answers to gaps in our knowledge of the SW galaxy. I'll probably use this in writing future fanfiction.

USAF Ace wrote:The SSD is not 8km long.

Interesting..... I always assumed it wsa 8 KM long. The Star Wars Encyclopedia quotes it at 8,000 meters. If not 8KM, how long is it?

Talon Karrde wrote:Interesting..... I always assumed it wsa 8 KM long. The Star Wars Encyclopedia quotes it at 8,000 meters. If not 8KM, how long is it?

Curtis Saxton used footage from ROTJ and ESB to compare the Executor to nearby ISDs, and he came up with an estimated length of 17km. The 8km length comes from a poorly researched and erronious WEG source, and unfortunately has been heavily distributed throughout the EU.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Talon Karrde wrote:Interesting..... I always assumed it wsa 8 KM long. The Star Wars Encyclopedia quotes it at 8,000 meters. If not 8KM, how long is it?

Curtis Saxton used footage from ROTJ and ESB to compare the Executor to nearby ISDs, and he came up with an estimated length of 17km. The 8km length comes from a poorly researched and erronious WEG source, and unfortunately has been heavily distributed throughout the EU.

I think Curtis Saxton is as good a Star Wars expert as their is, but his is pure speculation. I find it difficult to compare sizes of Imperator-Class Star Destroyers to Super-Class Star Destroyers by film footage. Although I suppose you can make a case for it, it's definately not an exact science. I noticed myself that in ESB the ISD's seem to be much smaller than the SSD's, perhaps smaller than the SSD, but I never presumed to question the EU on the point, mainly because you still have to take into effect camera angles and different elevation and distances from the camera each Star Destroyer was. I think I have to stick with the EU on this one and say the SSD is 8 kilometers long. Hey, I definately see where your coming from with your argument, but I think I'll go with the EU here instead of Saxton.

Besides, 17 kilometers? 8 kilometers is overkill enough.

Talon Karrde wrote:I think Curtis Saxton is as good a Star Wars expert as their is, but his is pure speculation.

No, it isn't.

I find it difficult to compare sizes of Imperator-Class Star Destroyers to Super-Class Star Destroyers by film footage.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#size

It is, in fact, difficult to scale from movie footage. But Saxton took many different and independent scalings to arrive at his conclusion of ~17 kilometers.

When I say speculation I mean that he has no SOLID proof to back up his work. No canon prounouncements and no EU support. He's just a simple Warsie like the rest of us who seems to think he's been enlightened to a point that he judge a SSD to be 9 kilometers bigger than the EU tells us. Don't get me wrong, if he wants to think that way fine, but I definately will not accept his work as accurate in this situation.

Talon Karrde wrote:When I say speculation I mean that he has no SOLID proof to back up his work.

I guess the films are less canon than the EU.

No canon prounouncements and no EU support.

You don't get more canon than the films.

He's just a simple Warsie like the rest of us who seems to think he's been enlightened to a point that he judge a SSD to be 9 kilometers bigger than the EU tells us. Don't get me wrong, if he wants to think that way fine, but I definately will not accept his work as accurate in this situation.

Karrde, his scaling of canon is airtight. Did you read the link I gave you? If the EU claimed that the Millenium Falcon was 200 meters long, when it is obviously not, would you accept that and just say that everyone else was being arrogant? No! You're dealing with the exact same thing right here. Look at the pictures, for Christ's sake--the first one shows that's it's physically impossible for the Executor to be only five times as long as an ISD. One of the ISDs in that shot is CLOSER to the camera than the ISD, and it's still less than 1/5 (or even 1/8) the length of the larger vessel!

Not to mention, the art department people who built the models used to make the Executor shots said they scaled the Executor to be eleven times the length of the ISD model.


The Imperial cut scean for the computer game Rebellion has a 8 kilometer Executor with several correctly sized ISD's around it, and you can clearly see how distorted it is.

Talon Karrde wrote:When I say speculation I mean that he has no SOLID proof to back up his work. No canon prounouncements and no EU support. He's just a simple Warsie like the rest of us who seems to think he's been enlightened to a point that he judge a SSD to be 9 kilometers bigger than the EU tells us. Don't get me wrong, if he wants to think that way fine, but I definately will not accept his work as accurate in this situation.

The canon pronounces it by showing it in such a way that he can measure it, so your statement is false. Unless you think the only canon evidence that's valid is flimsy, re-interpretable, subjective dialogue.

Are you incapable of trusting your own eyes and instincts, Talon? Will you prefer to believe a book that calls itself official even when its predictions can be tested and found wanting?

You should be Grovelling before ME, and ME only, instead of debating such
bullshit as WEG scaling figures!

WEG is best for showing the "feel" of the empire, not exact lengths of
certain ships.

Is this downloadable in Zip form?

And what will you be converting next? Cracken's Threat Dossier I hope?

Is it just me, or is Chapter 7 of the ISB messed up? Every time I click on it, it says I'm forbidden from accessing it. I don't have a problem getting into the other chapters.

Jim Raynor wrote:Is it just me, or is Chapter 7 of the ISB messed up? Every time I click on it, it says I'm forbidden from accessing it. I don't have a problem getting into the other chapters.

Works fine for me