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ok I've had been working fan-design(aka my own design) ship and while thinking of a back story for the ship, I started thinking is there any species that have no force-users (or even any connection to the force), note that species like the vong wouldn't count as they got IIRC rather strong connection orginally but it was severed.

The Ssi-ruuk from Truce at Bakura can't use the force. They know about it, and like the idea, but none of them can sense it.

Someone else might be able to fill you in on the details. I haven't read the book in a long time.

It's important to remember how incredibly rare Force sensitivity is. It's entirely possible that there are simply no Ssi-Ruu who are known to sense the Force. Out of a galaxy with how many countless quadrillions of people, you get a Jedi Order with a few thousand members at its height? The Force is hella rare, and because of that, it's nigh-impossible to "prove" its absence from whole species. It only becomes a Thing when a species goes galactic in range and numbers, which the Ssi-Ruuk have not.

I'm well aware that it's impossible to successfully "prove" that a species has no force users what so ever, what I'm asking is species who are "known" in universe to not have any force users (and thus can't be Jedi/dark Jedi).

The Ssi-Ruuk have already been mentioned above.

The Yuuzhan Vong are a rather obvious choice, but the OP disqualifies them.

The spider-like Charon have no known examples of Force-users among them (as per WotC's Ultimate Alien Anthology; the same source also notes that the insect-like, regenerative Bartokk species lack Force-users as well.

Ysalamiri.

Anyway, up until the prequels, it seemed like the Force was something that was out there for everyone. Some people were much more receptive to it, like artistic talent, but, like painting or drawing , just about anyone could learn some basic proficiency if they practiced and work at it. At least to me, it seemed like the Force would have to be universal to be the basis of a "religion", rather than just a "mutant gene" a la X-Men.

I suppose you could create a race that has never had any Force users. Force knows, there's enough crazy crap in the EU to justify anything. I suggest you call them "Genoshans".

Bob the Gunslinger wrote: Anyway, up until the prequels, it seemed like the Force was something that was out there for everyone. Some people were much more receptive to it, like artistic talent, but, like painting or drawing , just about anyone could learn some basic proficiency if they practiced and work at it. At least to me, it seemed like the Force would have to be universal to be the basis of a "religion", rather than just a "mutant gene" a la X-Men.

That could still be true even with the concept of midichlorians. Qui-Gon stated that without midichlorians life could not exist, implying that everyone has a level of midichlorians in their bodies and that even someone who was not a Jedi could still have some affinity for the Force. However the higher the levels are, the higher the affinity is. In a way this would still be similar to your analogy, a naturally skilled artist isn't arbitrarily born that way, his genes have an effect on his natural talent.

Yoda further implies that the Force flows through inanimate objects such as trees, rocks and space ships. You could maybe take that as the Force being something that goes much deeper than just microscopic organisms like midis and may have effects that go down to the atomic level, in which case, nothing and no species would be completely Force free.

I'm going to get grief for mentioning this but I'm pretty sure there was mention in The Planet of Twilight that the Hutt race had never produced a Force user, the one in that book had had his Force ability artificially enhanced by those grolsch insect thingies.

I know who you're talking about. Wookieepedia says that Beldorion was a Jedi long before he went to Nam Chorios and fell to the Dark-Side, with references to several Essential Guides that I don't have available to check. He is the solely-known Hutt Jedi, though.

Adamskywalker007 wrote:

Bob the Gunslinger wrote: Anyway, up until the prequels, it seemed like the Force was something that was out there for everyone. Some people were much more receptive to it, like artistic talent, but, like painting or drawing , just about anyone could learn some basic proficiency if they practiced and work at it. At least to me, it seemed like the Force would have to be universal to be the basis of a "religion", rather than just a "mutant gene" a la X-Men.

That could still be true even with the concept of midichlorians. Qui-Gon stated that without midichlorians life could not exist, implying that everyone has a level of midichlorians in their bodies and that even someone who was not a Jedi could still have some affinity for the Force. However the higher the levels are, the higher the affinity is. In a way this would still be similar to your analogy, a naturally skilled artist isn't arbitrarily born that way, his genes have an effect on his natural talent.

Can...can we just throw our hands up and say, "We don't know what the fuck Lucas was thinking, screw the midichlorians" at this point?

Well the species that orginally got me wondering about was the Zeltron, as (if wookieepedia is correct) their culture would seem rather odd to have Jedi come from (though I did some wiki reserch and it would seem there's at least 1 jedi and 1 sith/dark jedi that comes from that species, though the articles are so short I can't tell how much they followed Zeltronian culture (if at all))

What is it about Zeltrons that makes them seem like incredible Jedi and, corollary; why must we willfully perpetuate the asinine Planet of Hats trope?

Probably the assertion that Zeltrons are by nature too easygoing and hedonistic to be "proper" Jedi. Although why their pheromones work on everybody else is beyond me.

Darth Yoshi wrote:Probably the assertion that Zeltrons are by nature too easygoing and hedonistic to be "proper" Jedi. Although why their pheromones work on everybody else is beyond me.

well you're correct why I wanted use a zeltron (though in this case I want to use it, so that they have reputation in the galaxy not it's not something you are by being born a zeltron).

As for you other question, alot species we know are either near- or pseudo-humans so Zeltron phermones should affect near-humans (a category zeltrons themselves belong to) and it's not unreasonble to suggest that pseudo-humans (like Twi'leks for example) might affect somethings humans or near-humans are.

Assuming for a moment we're in a bad story wherein everyone from X is like Y, it's not totally incompatible. The kind of detached, impersonal relationships are pretty in line with Jedi philosophy, and by all accounts they're a pretty mellow people; slow to anger and even slower to take up arms- which they still have, as they're not pacifists by any means. Sounds like workable Jedi material to me.

What if several thousand years ago, someone genetically engineering Yssalamari into a humanoid shaped species? They lack there 'Force Bubbles', but can't touch the Force either.

Ewoks, apparently.

The Hutts.

(With the exception of Planet of Twilight, but that doesn't count because the book was supposedly horrible.)

open_sketchbook wrote:Ewoks, apparently.

It's been stated in support material that Ewok magic (shown in the cartoon) is actually Force based. That would make Logray and Teebo force-users.

I always assumed that the midicloirains let us communicate with the force, not that they actually generate it.

This would be more compattible with the canon sources.

And Qui-Gon's exact quote was,

"Midi-chlorians are a microcopic lifeform that reside within all living cells and communicates with the Force."

and

"Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force."

My theory is that midiclorians are the starwars equivilant of midochondria, without which, most life on earth could not exist.

My knowledge of biology is limited, so i dont know if there are any lifeforms on earth that dont rely on midochondria to metabolize adenosine triphosphate.