havokeff wrote:Yeah sorry, but unless you are going to trot out all the other examples of psychotic Jedi children that the EVIL Jedi training causes, I'm going to stick with the facts that we have: The council felt he was too old to be properly trained and that Palpatine was manipulating him from day one, and chalk up Anakin as a unique case.
The others do not have that problem because they do not
have families to grow attached to. The Jedi raise the children in a sterile environment where their only human contacts are other Jedi. They are brainwashed to fit a mould; in Anakin's case, this conflicted with his reasonably normal earlier upbringing, as well it should. Most Jedi are probably not sociopaths (though there are disturbing cases, like the Master who let his companion be eaten by Colicoids because it was part of their culture and was held up as an example to be emulated), merely indoctrinated and unquestioning robots who do their best to suppress their "sinful" emotions.
And I don't find Anakin's love for Padme to be an "unhealthy fixation". Yes he is socially awkward, but so are half the posters on this board. I mean a 19 year old that is awkward towards girls and expresses himself in an almost painful to watch manner?
It is not something you can just chalk up to "religious fundamentalism and hypocrisy" because it suits your theory, when that is standard behavior for about every teenager ever.
You do not find it a sign of unhealthy obsession that he is, as an adult, fanatically in love with a woman he saw
once, as a child, ten years ago? This is a fixation.
Ok that is retarded. In the case of Ki-Adi-Mundi, it was to help his species pro create and had nothing to do with love per se, but with helping out his species, which actually falls within what Jedi is supposed to do.
And this invalidates the "attachment and desire leads to TEH DARK SIDE, muahahah!" argument why? Does it make him any less likely to "go dark"? Furthermore, I have
very strong doubts that their species is in dire need of an additional breeder to maintain a viable population; that is a totally ridiculous argument for a human-like species that apparently has a culture of its own. This sounds suspiciously like a bad excuse (which it is, in real life, on part of the writers and "Evil's" retcons) used to justify something to the public.
In Plo Koon's case, IIRC, his innate abilities, along with other Kel Dor, of determining right and wrong in a very black and white way is what allowed him, and his family, which has a history of Jedi, to marry, as they didn't succumb emotionally to the trappings of the Dark Side as easily as a human or other species would.
Source? I was unaware of any of this. Is it that videogame, "Jedi Power Battles" or whatever?
Neither of those cases is hypocrisy.
They are also far from the only ones of Jedi forming personal liaisons. I shall be back with a full list later, perhaps for my Coliseum debate on Jedi morality with Tiriol.
And how do you figure that that rule should apply more to a fully trained Jedi Master and High Council member over a Padawan in training that is basically a ball of emotions and hormones that is still learning what it means and takes to be a Jedi. I'm all for practice what you preach, but if Yoda wanted to get married, for valid reason X, then that is fine. Your comparison to the Iranians doesn't cut it, as the Jedi aren't circumventing the rules to get nookie on the side. And their rules are not arbitrarily in place, but there to stop young Padawans and Knights from falling to the Dark Side and hurting or killing people.
And how, exactly, does one become a Master? Arbitrary personal criteria, as far as I am aware, ultimately the simple recognition of the Council. The Jedi Order is run like a sect, with the High Council answering only to themselves (and to some lesser degree to the Senate, in that it controls part of their funding, but they have no responsibility before the lower-ranking members). Furthermore, what is your evidence that it does not apply to Masters? The so-called "Jedi Code" does not appear to distinguish between ranks in its edicts (and no, that little piece of poetry from way back is not the Code in its entirety, it is a quote and/or an abstraction of it; the
Revised Core Rulebook establishes the Code as a larger set of writings).
It is hypocrisy; they arbitrarily decide when to acknowledge deviations from the Code and when not to.
OK. He still kept his status and his family attachments or else he wouldn't have been able to go back and "reclaim" his title. "Hi. You haven't seen me in 50 years. Can I be Count and have all the money please." Yeah, probably not happening without some sort of attachment.
It is nevertheless canon, unless you have a source to contradict it. I can be back with the specific passage, if you like; he had not seen his family before he returned to them. Jedi doctrine as of the Prequel Era forbids parents from seeing their Jedi children, as exemplified by numerous sources, and
Dark Lord specifies that adult Jedi seeing their parents is rare enough as to be a matter of legend (which is not surprising, since Jedi indoctrination/training completely alienates members of the Order from their biological kin).