The Jedi uniform

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-02-16 09:41am

Well,we all know the real Jedi Uniform.They're desert cloaks and they look like mystical hermits.

But what about Luke "Jedi uniform" in ROTJ?Assuming that this isn't made wrong by the first few movies,what form of jedi functionary will wear that uniform?

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-02-16 09:42am

I don't know per say.

But Luke's uniform in ROTJ looked strikely familiar with Darth Maul's.

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Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-17 02:01pm

How about Anakin? ; )

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-02-17 02:39pm

I personally think the whole Jedi robes thing was a brain bug by GL...It made sense for Obi-wan & Yoda to dress like that during the OT, considering how & where they lived. But to me it serves no purpose in the PT, it just gives them a catholic priest like vibe...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-17 03:11pm

The Jedi order is many tens of thousands of years old IIRC. It may have been that they lived much like monks long ago, and only more recently with the foundation of the Republic began to go out and help people with non sith related problems.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-02-17 04:34pm

Why would Luke wear the uniform of the non existing Order? It is more interesting that why did Kenobi wear his uniform on Tatuin at the time when jedis were hunted?
http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/jedi/jedi.htm

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-17 04:45pm

The AOTC:VD, Pg.16 "Dark Knight":"The tunics, robes, and cloaks worn by Jedi are honored traditions, but not uniforms. From the time they become Padawans, Jedi are free to dress as they choose. Anakin Skywalker breaks with tradition with hsi garments,"

Hope that helps.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-17 04:55pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:I don't know per say.

But Luke's uniform in ROTJ looked strikely familiar with Darth Maul's

This is on purpose. GL wanted Luke to wear a black version of Obi-Wan/Yoda's robes. Which curiously, he also had Palpatine wear to an extent.

This combined with Luke using the Force Choke on the Gamorrean Guards and almost simply shooting Jabba for refusing to listen to him is all part of GL trying to emphasize that Luke was teetering on the boundary between Light and Dark after the reckonning on Bespin.

DocHorror wrote:I personally think the whole Jedi robes thing was a brain bug by GL...It made sense for Obi-wan & Yoda to dress like that during the OT, considering how & where they lived. But to me it serves no purpose in the PT, it just gives them a catholic priest like vibe...

Well perhaps Yoda should not have worn desert robes...and then the whole Jedi Order...

But the Catholic Priest-like vibe? Completely appropriate...you did watch AOTC, right?

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Jedi order is many tens of thousands of years old IIRC. It may have been that they lived much like monks long ago, and only more recently with the foundation of the Republic began to go out and help people with non sith related problems.

Actually the Jedi are descended primarily from a monastic order, the Bendu Monks (AOTC ICS).

Furthermore it rams through the corrupt/orthodox/rigid problems of the PT-era Jedi Order.

ReinnResauq · Post by **ReinnResauq** » 2003-02-17 05:23pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
This is on purpose. GL wanted Luke to wear a black version of Obi-Wan/Yoda's robes. Which curiously, he also had Palpatine wear to an extent.

This combined with Luke using the Force Choke on the Gamorrean Guards and almost simply shooting Jabba for refusing to listen to him is all part of GL trying to emphasize that Luke was teetering on the boundary between Light and Dark after the reckonning on Bespin.

I can't remember where I read it, but those guards were only knocked out, not completely killed. When it came to the blaster, when you're surrounded by a bunch of people who want to kill you and you don't have a lightsabre handy, a blaster sounds damned useful to have. I couldn't tell who he was trying to shoot at, but it didn't look like it was Jabba.

There is one thing I don't get about the consistancy of Jedi dress and that is why? Even Anakin dresses in the same style, just different colors and materials. It's still noticibly Jedi garb, since Watto recognized him as a Jedi before he saw that it was Anakin.

Maybe having a consistancy would be useful as an intimidation tactic, but why the desert style? It has its benefits, cool, easy to move in (like that outfit martial artists wear) but it's an odd choice for an organization supposed to be based on a city-planet.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-02-17 05:31pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
DocHorror wrote:I personally think the whole Jedi robes thing was a brain bug by GL...It made sense for Obi-wan & Yoda to dress like that during the OT, considering how & where they lived. But to me it serves no purpose in the PT, it just gives them a catholic priest like vibe...
Well perhaps Yoda should not have worn desert robes...and then the whole Jedi Order...

But the Catholic Priest-like vibe? Completely appropriate...you did watch AOTC, right?

Roman Catholics priests wear black clothes and the distinctive Roman collar in order to make themselves readily identifiable to Catholics not from their parishes and who would not otherwise recognise them as being priests.

In much the same fashion, it is quite reasonable for the Jedi Knights to tend toward a readily identifiable mode of dress, given the sort of responsibilities they are depicted as having in the late Republican era. They act as roving peacemakers of sorts, and this function is no doubt facilitated by the ease with which they can be identified by their clothes and lightsabres.

Of course, the case can be easily made that the particular clothes they wear are a product of laziness on the part of the costuming department, as Mr Brown has argued. In any event, a traditional, semiregular style such as the Jedi Knights generally affect is not an especially troubling thing.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-17 05:36pm

ReinnResauq wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
This is on purpose. GL wanted Luke to wear a black version of Obi-Wan/Yoda's robes. Which curiously, he also had Palpatine wear to an extent.

This combined with Luke using the Force Choke on the Gamorrean Guards and almost simply shooting Jabba for refusing to listen to him is all part of GL trying to emphasize that Luke was teetering on the boundary between Light and Dark after the reckonning on Bespin.
I can't remember where I read it, but those guards were only knocked out, not completely killed. When it came to the blaster, when you're surrounded by a bunch of people who want to kill you and you don't have a lightsabre handy, a blaster sounds damned useful to have. I couldn't tell who he was trying to shoot at, but it didn't look like it was Jabba.

GL himself said he was trying to illustrate how close Luke was to the dark.

Also, a Force Choke is of the Dark Side, PERIOD.

ReinnResauq · Post by **ReinnResauq** » 2003-02-17 05:41pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Also, a Force Choke is of the Dark Side, PERIOD.

Why? Luke used it to prevent combat, which is what light jedi are supposed to do. You think Luke would use a dark power in such a passe manner if he was trying to stay on the good side?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-17 05:47pm

Because it says so in the Sourcebooks. If using Force Choke is said to corrupt Force Users....than using Force Choke corrupts Force Users.

Our morality is irrelevent in the argument.

ReinnResauq · Post by **ReinnResauq** » 2003-02-17 06:08pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Because it says so in the Sourcebooks. If using Force Choke is said to corrupt Force Users....than using Force Choke corrupts Force Users.

And the Executor is 8 km long and the sensor globes on an SD are really shield generators which are unshielded.

The sourcebooks don't counter canon (pg 350 of the Star Wars Trilogy, Luke used choke to prevent combat without even thinking about it) or simple sense (Luke wouldn't use a dark force power in such a nonchalant way if he thought he was taking a step to the dark side).

Our morality is irrelevent in the argument.

When did our morality attempt to come into play here?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-17 06:11pm

ReinnResauq wrote: And the Executor is 8 km long and the sensor globes on an SD are really shield generators which are unshielded.

The sourcebooks don't counter canon (pg 350 of the Star Wars Trilogy, Luke used choke to prevent combat without even thinking about it) or simple sense (Luke wouldn't use a dark force power in such a nonchalant way if he thought he was taking a step to the dark side).

Wrong. thoseexamples are contradicted bycanonevidence. The "Force Choke is a Dark Side attack" is not contradicted by canon, thus it is true.

Reinn < CANON.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-17 06:12pm

ReinnResauq wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Because it says so in the Sourcebooks. If using Force Choke is said to corrupt Force Users....than using Force Choke corrupts Force Users.
And the Executor is 8 km long and the sensor globes on an SD are really shield generators which are unshielded.

The sourcebooks don't counter canon (pg 350 of the Star Wars Trilogy, Luke used choke to prevent combat without even thinking about it) or simple sense (Luke wouldn't use a dark force power in such a nonchalant way if he thought he was taking a step to the dark side).

Didn't you get it? That's is the whole point GL was trying to get through. Luke is angry and not-in-control and vulnerable to the conflict set up at Endor. Why the Sith attire? Why the Force Choke at all in film instead of them simply falling asleep or something. GL wanted us to know Luke is on the brink.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-17 06:12pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Because it says so in the Sourcebooks. If using Force Choke is said to corrupt Force Users....than using Force Choke corrupts Force Users.

Our morality is irrelevent in the argument.

Hmm....thats bordering on game mechanics.....

Choking is just a particular application of TK.....

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-17 08:03pm

Why did Obi wear his robes on his fighter? Don't they have flight suits?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-17 08:06pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:Why did Obi wear his robes on his fighter? Don't they have flight suits?

Yes, but Obi-Wan chose not to wear one, for some reason or another. Pg.10 ICS, "Monastic Attire": "On this mission, Obi-Wan opts against wearing a sealable, semi-armored spacesuit avaliable to all Jedi for space flight. Many Jedi Knights wear common mediative gowns in situations when specialized secular clothes are more practical."

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-18 12:48am

Pity we'll probably never get to see Jedi in full battle armor. : (

I do think the Jedi outfit thing is a brain bug.. just look at what Uncle Owen and other folks on Tatooine wear. Why would a Jedi in hiding dress just like a Jedi? Luke and Anakin's outfits seem more "realistic." I can buy the brown overrobe though, since its akin to modern monastic orders of today, in a variety of climates (contrast with the "black robes" of the Sith.. palpatine/Maul at least).

I always thought Luke looked like he was wearing a roman collar and stole in his "hologram" scene with Jabba in ROTJ.

As far as force choke is concerned, yeah, pretty much a game mechanics thing. Of course Yoda does say that a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack...

But isn't Force Push an "attack"? Heck, just about all use of force in battle could be considered an attack (or a "counter attack"). I guess we could go the "Jedi Knight" route and say so long as the other guy throws the first punch, you can use whatever you want to beat your enemy. heh

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-18 01:12am

Kurgan wrote:Pity we'll probably never get to see Jedi in full battle armor. : (

We kind of have. Training armor at least. Action figure form though.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-18 09:36am

Luke was so close to the Darkside, he was hocking loogies at it.

FX · Post by FX » 2003-02-18 11:09am

I've always hated the Force push because it was an attack using the Force. I understood Luke using the choke in RotJ because he was tettering on the edge. I've heard people say that Obi was cool with using the push because they were droids, but that doesn't fit. The use of the Force is important, not reason, not application, if you attack with the Force you have used the Force to destroy, which is of the Dark Side.

I like the idea that Jedi all wear a similar type of dress, but do they all have to wear only earth tones? Can't they wear blue, or green? I've also read that GL did a cop out and said all Jedi will look like Yoda and Obi wan from ANH.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-18 02:07pm

Force Choak is a Dark Jedi power. It is backed up by the start of the Hand of Thrawn Duology. Luke is using his powers to help Han and Chewie repel some pirates. He uses the Force to muddle the pirates minds and luke goes on to say he had a funny feeling "Like when i choaked the gamoreans in Jabba's palace." Luke identifies this as a brush with the Dark Side.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-02-18 02:11pm

As noted, the Jedi traditional garb is a non-binding tradition. At least three Jedi Knights seen in the film Attack of the Clones wear distinctively different fashions: Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli, and Barriss Offee wore quite different styles, the former wearing a form-fitting, rather brief outfit, and the latter two wearing more elaborate cowls and vestments of finer material and darker colour than the Jedi norm.