Abortion and Jedis

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2003-02-21 03:50pm

Are Jedis Pro-life or Pro-choice?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-21 03:53pm

I would think they would consider abortion immoral but not worthy of illegalization.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-21 04:30pm

I would say they are rational. As force users, they're able to understand when the fetus pass from a simple aglomerate of zero brain activity cells to a living human being. And would use that frontier as the separation between what's legal and what's not only illegal, but imoral and a crime.

PS: we're not force users, but we can do the exact same thing using machines. Most people, however, lack the "rational" part.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-21 08:47pm

I'm not sure they'd take a stance on it. What purpose would it acheive?

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-02-21 09:43pm

Enola Straight wrote:Are Jedis Pro-life or Pro-choice?

From what I've seen of the Jedi value of all living things, they would likely abhor abortion, or murder of any kind for that matter.

The Janitor · Post by **The Janitor** » 2003-02-21 09:48pm

I suspect that most Jedi have already had or been subject to (failed) abortions.

What do you guys think, are Jedi pro or against war with Iraq?

I think because Anakin is a prick he would probably believe anything anyone told but what about other Jedi?

And just for good measure do you think Jedi are okay with homosexuality?

Hathor · Post by **Hathor** » 2003-02-22 12:19am

The Janitor wrote:I suspect that most Jedi have already had or been subject to (failed) abortions.

What do you guys think, are Jedi pro or against war with Iraq?

I think because Anakin is a prick he would probably believe anything anyone told but what about other Jedi?

And just for good measure do you think Jedi are okay with homosexuality?

ohhh... I can image 2 hot Jedi guys kiss scene would make pro-christian SW fan displeasure.. Just learn to that Homesexual is not wrong.

I know It won't happen..

About in real world, is jedi ok with Homosexual? I hope so.. If, so They're true normal people. If, not.. they're umm.. you know it.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-22 12:19am

Nitpick: "Jedi" is both singular and plural.

Plus "Jedis" sounds retarded...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-02-22 01:48am

This doesn't really belong in SLAM. Off to Pure Star Wars with you.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-22 03:17am

jegs2 wrote:
Enola Straight wrote:Are Jedis Pro-life or Pro-choice?
From what I've seen of the Jedi value of all living things, they would likely abhor abortion, or murder of any kind for that matter.

Well, generally speaking, the Jedi are going to abhor the destruction of life, ANY life, unless it is done with sufficient reason. So while the Jedi are probably going to approve of abortions in the extreme cases (rape, incest, death of the mother and such) I think they would very much disapprove of abortions done for the sake of convenience to the mother.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-02-22 03:38am

It would all depend on the context of the situation.

Abortion as Birth-Control, they would be opposed to it.

If the life of the mother was in danger, then I think they would approve, only after some debate.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-02-22 03:53am

Stormbringer wrote:This doesn't really belong in SLAM. Off to Pure Star Wars with you.

Gee, thanks...

Everyone else: keep the temperature under control. Any bullshit in this thread and the whole thing will be HOSed.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2003-02-22 07:25am

The Jedi apparently had no particular moral qualms about using the clone army once it was placed in their laps, and the Jedi reaction to cloning in AOTC seemed rather relaxed. Cloning, especially the cloning of thousands and hundreds of thousands of essentially identical troopers, would almost certainly have to involve the elimination of units that deviated too far from the ISO standards. Those embryos, fetuses and infants that suffered from developmental abnormalities or genetic drift during cloning would have to be killed and recycled. Ultimately, some near-adult clonetroopers would have to have had unremediable defects, and the Kaminoans don't look like they would have bothered institutionalizing the defectives or sending them out as galactic hitchhikers with a few few hundred credits in their pockets. That certainly did not give the Jedi any pause in the movie, despite the Republic's theoretical ban on slavery. (Of course, the CSA had the death penalty on slavery but contract labor personnel were treated no better than slaves, so if the Republic had a similar tendency to rationalize and relativize things, then the troopers were obviously not technically regarded as slaves.)

Then add in the facts that the troopers have been so modified that they effectively have no free will, never had even the shade of a choice regarding how to live their lives, and are treated as de facto slaves and property, nothing more than valuable but disposable organic war machines. If the Jedi have no moral problems with all that, the only abortions that might possibly give them pause would be third-trimester abortions of fully viable fetuses.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2003-02-22 09:21am

I don't think they would approve of the loss of life but I also don't think they wuld go out of their way to do anything about it. Unless they somehow found out that the fetus was extremely Force sensative. Than I think they would have no qualms about simply taking it from the mother whether she liked it or not.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-02-22 11:35am

Patrick Ogaard wrote: Then add in the facts that the troopers have been so modified that they effectively have no free will, never had even the shade of a choice regarding how to live their lives, and are treated as de facto slaves and property, nothing more than valuable but disposable organic war machines. If the Jedi have no moral problems with all that, the only abortions that might possibly give them pause would be third-trimester abortions of fully viable fetuses.

Wouldn't this also depend upon the individual Jedi's school of thought.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-22 12:28pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Nitpick: "Jedi" is both singular and plural.

Plus "Jedis" sounds retarded...

Jedis make me thing of that stupid Chiss Bartender from Jedi Knight 2. He annoyed me i killed him.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-02-22 02:50pm

jegs2 wrote:
Enola Straight wrote:Are Jedis Pro-life or Pro-choice?
From what I've seen of the Jedi value of all living things, they would likely abhor abortion, or murder of any kind for that matter.

Except that an abortion is not a murder.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-22 02:55pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
jegs2 wrote:
Enola Straight wrote:Are Jedis Pro-life or Pro-choice?
From what I've seen of the Jedi value of all living things, they would likely abhor abortion, or murder of any kind for that matter.
Except that an abortion is not a murder.

It is still destruction of life.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-22 04:05pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Sir Sirius wrote:
jegs2 wrote:From what I've seen of the Jedi value of all living things, they would likely abhor abortion, or murder of any kind for that matter.
Except that an abortion is not a murder.
It is still destruction of life.

I guess they are beyond killing and eating any kind of animals or plants, then.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-22 04:07pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
Sir Sirius wrote:Except that an abortion is not a murder.
It is still destruction of life.
I guess they are beyond killing and eating any kind of animals or plants, then.

Read one of my above posts; I said they don't approve of killing unless it is done with necessity.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-22 04:20pm

Durran Korr wrote: Read one of my above posts; I said they don't approve of killing unless it is done with necessity.

Yes, sorry, you're right. I should have read it before replying.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-22 04:45pm

Abortion may not even be an issue in the SW universe, depending on the level of its birth control technology.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2003-02-23 12:05pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Patrick Ogaard wrote: Then add in the facts that the troopers have been so modified that they effectively have no free will, never had even the shade of a choice regarding how to live their lives, and are treated as de facto slaves and property, nothing more than valuable but disposable organic war machines. If the Jedi have no moral problems with all that, the only abortions that might possibly give them pause would be third-trimester abortions of fully viable fetuses.
Wouldn't this also depend upon the individual Jedi's school of thought.

Probably so.

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