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That's the hallmark of bad writing. My first rule is to use what you have and think of what the characters would logically do in a given situation, not make them do something that is incomprehensible but convenient for the plot. If what the characters would logically do lets them easily solve the situation, your plot probably isn't very good.Stravo wrote:Also part of it I think is just lazy writing. Its hard to come up with a good challenge that could kill a Jedi master, so what does the lazy writer do? he powers down the Jedi Master instead of trying to work within the framework of the powers available to them.
Why do canon purists think this?Stravo wrote:My general problem with the EU is that it sort of invalidates everything these characters went through for instance Palpatine coming back in the EU makes Anakin's sacrifice unneccessary and that is tragic.
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Why do canon purists think this?Stravo wrote:My general problem with the EU is that it sort of invalidates everything these characters went through for instance Palpatine coming back in the EU makes Anakin's sacrifice unneccessary and that is tragic.
Did they think the Empire rolled over immediately after Endor?
The early scripts had a lot of themes and plot points that are reflected in Dark Empire. George Lucas himself loved it and corroborated with Vietch later on his Knights of the Old Republic project.
Its not about the empire dying Illuminatus, I object to Palpatine coming back. Personally the Empire's slow gradual fall from power would have made a FAR better storyline than this Vong stuff I've read about or the "super secret weapon the Empire had hidden away" plotline that made me stop reading the EU.
It's about what the entire story was about, the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. He slew the Emperor, sacrificing his life to bring balance to the force.....bzzztttt Wrong, see Palpatine is back in a clone body (WTF?!? Is this a comic book now? I've seen villains comeback with more style than this in the X-Men.)
WHY then did Anakin risk his life? Seriously Illuminatus, did Anakin's sacrifice mean ANYTHING at that point? Oh but get this...after Luke defeats him in Dark Empire I HE COMES BACK. WTF?!?! You know you've run dry of ideas if the best villain you can scare up is the one you killed TWICE already.
Anakin's sacrifice is the central key point of BOTH trilogies, he sacrifices himself to become Darth Vader and restore order to the galaxy and takes the final plunge and is saved by his son, redeemed by the love of a child he never really knew....then it gets all SHAT on by GL and his "wonderful" ideas. Greedo shooting first is merely a symptom of what is to come.
So in closing what I am saying is that by all means, let the Empire fight on for decades if you want, the same people that love to pull out 25,000 ISD's and QUINTILLIONS of troops are seriously going to think that a rebel alliance who's main fleet strength was about 30 Capital ships took over the galaxy in the span of 5 years?! No, thats called lazy writing.
What bugs the purists? RESPECT the journey of the hero. RESPECT the fact that Anakin gave EVRYTHING including his soul to save the galaxy and the man he slew can come back to line GL's pockets for TWO more tries before he finally dies like a bad dream??? How about investing time and creative energy in creating a new villain that doesn't make Anakin's sacrifice and Luke's journey of discovery nest to useless. We hate the EU contrivances because it sullies a truly perfect hero journey tale with bullshit.
I agree with Stravo that the "crisis of the week" is stupid.
You see Illuminatus, damn you, agreeing with me on general points yet fighting with me on nitty gritty details..
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Isn't it odd how that happens?Stravo wrote:Illuminatus Primus wrote: I agree with Stravo that the "crisis of the week" is stupid.
You see Illuminatus, damn you, agreeing with me on general points yet fighting with me on nitty gritty details.
The War against the Empire was not won until peace was called in VOTF in the HOTD! Yes the war was pretty much won by then anyway, but the Empire was not defeated in 5 years, they were in dissmay. the one man who had kept the Moffs, etc in line was gone and there was huge uprisings, look at the end of ROTJ SE what, IMHO was Coruscant, they were pulling down a statue of Palpatine, I'm not saying that would be it for the Empire after 5 years, but it wouldn't last for 25 years!So in closing what I am saying is that by all means, let the Empire fight on for decades if you want, the same people that love to pull out 25,000 ISD's and QUINTILLIONS of troops are seriously going to think that a rebel alliance who's main fleet strength was about 30 Capital ships took over the galaxy in the span of 5 years?! No, thats called lazy writing.
The Empire destroyed itself. Internal-squabbling, wasted resources, unprotected/unpacified sectors joining the rebellion in droves perhaps. No fighting spirit in the Imperial troops.Dorsk 81 wrote:Stravo WroteThe War against the Empire was not won until peace was called in VOTF in the HOTD! Yes the war was pretty much won by then anyway, but the Empire was not defeated in 5 years, they were in dissmay. the one man who had kept the Moffs, etc in line was gone and there was huge uprisings, look at the end of ROTJ SE what, IMHO was Coruscant, they were pulling down a statue of Palpatine, I'm not saying that would be it for the Empire after 5 years, but it wouldn't last for 25 years!So in closing what I am saying is that by all means, let the Empire fight on for decades if you want, the same people that love to pull out 25,000 ISD's and QUINTILLIONS of troops are seriously going to think that a rebel alliance who's main fleet strength was about 30 Capital ships took over the galaxy in the span of 5 years?! No, thats called lazy writing.
Didn't the presence of an all-governing Emperor keep the high-ranking military officers from bickering among each other??Dorsk 81 wrote:Exactly. We see in Darksaber (IIRC) that Admiral Daala has to kill off the other squabling Imperials, who kept attacking each other and giving themselves more and more extravagent titles. With this kind of disaray in the governing body, if you can call it that, it's no wonder the Empire self destructed.
Dorsk 81 wrote:One more thing, why does everyone have it in for KJA?
Tell me you're kidding. Have you actually READ that drivel?Hey know the fuck what you're talking about. Your piss rant makes no fucking sense.Darth Fanboy wrote:That made no fucking sense because Daala gathered the Imperial Warlords and not anyone from the Empire proper. Unless she and Pellaeon actually turned off of the warlords forces over the the Empire and took charge then that book didnt make sense, oh yeah KJA wrote it. Nuff Said
Well, yea, I've read Darksaber and the JAT, but I didn't think it was THAT bad.Batman wrote:Dorsk 81 wrote:One more thing, why does everyone have it in for KJA?
Oh, and Darth Fanboy, your Avatar REALLY pisses me off.
By all means keep it
You know, to admit to that on this here board, you're either very brave or very foolish.Dorsk 81 wrote:Well, yea, I've read Darksaber and the JAT, but I didn't think it was THAT bad.
Hell, I have ALL of the JAT AND Darksaber, and I'm not going to reread them if it means conceeding that the earth is flat...Shinova wrote:I have two of the Jedi Academy trilogy. The last time I read them was years ago. Maybe I should read them again to see what everyone's beef against KJA is.