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Altered history:

After striking down his father, Luke Skywalker was assimilated...er...I mean completely fell to the Dark Side. The Emperor succeeded in turning Luke into his apprentice, and Lord Vader became third in Sith "rank"(lack of better description). The attack at Endor failed with almost all Rebel forces being destroyed. Han and Leia were captured. The Death Star 2 is soon completed. Using his Dark Side powers, with the Emperor and Vader to assist him if and when necessary, Luke seduces Leia to the Dark Side as well. Han, after losing Chewie at Endor, becomes vunerable, and Leia now with Sith powers manipulates him enough to have their children, Anakin, Jacen, etc. They are brought up with the Sith arts, beginning what one could call the Sith Order.

From then on, one can reasonably extrapolate the Empire gaining access to forces and knowledge in previous and following novels (ie: Centerpoint station, Galaxy gun, etc).

The Vong begin their invasion of the Galaxy. What happens?

The empire would now have enough ships to police the entire galaxy (read put a ship in orbit to scare everyone into line) thus when the Vong show up the emperor sends his fleet out to meet them - he crushes the Vongs advanced forces and then sends most of his fleets to police the rim in force.

Without the slaves and planets upon which to grow new ships the Vong start to fall apart and the Imp navy eventually finds and destroys the world ships.

Result: The vong arent even a footnote in the history of the great galatic empire.

Oh and Nom Anor dies many times at the hands of the Emperor.

Robert Walper wrote:Altered history:

After striking down his father, Luke Skywalker was assimilated...er...I mean completely fell to the Dark Side. The Emperor succeeded in turning Luke into his apprentice, and Lord Vader became third in Sith "rank"(lack of better description). The attack at Endor failed with almost all Rebel forces being destroyed. Han and Leia were captured. The Death Star 2 is soon completed. Using his Dark Side powers, with the Emperor and Vader to assist him if and when necessary, Luke seduces Leia to the Dark Side as well. Han, after losing Chewie at Endor, becomes vunerable, and Leia now with Sith powers manipulates him enough to have their children, Anakin, Jacen, etc. They are brought up with the Sith arts, beginning what one could call the Sith Order.

From then on, one can reasonably extrapolate the Empire gaining access to forces and knowledge in previous and following novels (ie: Centerpoint station, Galaxy gun, etc).

The Vong begin their invasion of the Galaxy. What happens?

Without the incompetent Senate being unwilling to send ships ? With an Emperor which might be pissed off by the Vong for threatening him ? POOR Vong... *G*

Centralized Empires are better at the defense ( at least if they have no civil war )...

TheDarkling wrote:The empire would now have enough ships to police the entire galaxy (read put a ship in orbit to scare everyone into line) thus when the Vong show up the emperor sends his fleet out to meet them - he crushes the Vongs advanced forces and then sends most of his fleets to police the rim in force.

Without the slaves and planets upon which to grow new ships the Vong start to fall apart and the Imp navy eventually finds and destroys the world ships.

Result: The vong arent even a footnote in the history of the great galatic empire.

Oh and Nom Anor dies many times at the hands of the Emperor.

I dunno...

Nom Anor in Vector Prime succeeded as well as he did by employing stealth rather than giving the game away. I'm not saying they would measure up against the Empire, but I am saying they would adjust their invasion plan.

Yeah but the NR handed the Vong everything not inside the core or inner rim without contest - it was a joke, the emperor would actually deploy fleets against the Vong.

I cant express my utter horror over the NR's actions in the war accept to say they make the Feds look like the very model of a well oiled military machine.
In fact if it wasnt for the actions of the jedi and a few guys from way back when (Wedge, Darklighter, Han etc) the Vong would have walked to the core uncontested, remember they had to blackmail Borsk with the threat of rebellion to actually get him to admit that the vong existed and were a danger.


From the first 8 books of NJO you would think the NR has about 10 cap ships if that, by the time they started to actually use their ships the Vong had arrived at the core.

The only way the Vong could win would be to incite a rebellion wait 30 years and come in when an ineffectual and greedy senate was in place, hmmm I wonder.

More and more I've come to believe that the ultimate point of NJO is that the Empire should've stayed in place and that the Rebellion was ultimatley worthless and doomed billions.

The Empire with a fraction of it's forces would've smashed the Vong into another dimension. No contest.

Well, it's pointed out that by Hoth, Palpatine had comissioned the Eclipse and Sovereign classes. With the full might of the Galaxy's industry behind him, it's safe to assume they'd be constructed sooner, and the Sovereign would enter mass-production.

A few thousand Sovereigns, supported by the ISD fleet, lead by the Eclipse and the Death Star II?

...Wow.....

The book "Traitor" describes it well

In Traitor Nom Anor explains that the Empire would have crushed the Yuuzhan Vong invasion before the YV could gain a foothold in the SW Galaxy. Thus, the YV believe that the Gods favored them by destroying the Empire and replacing it with the weak NR.

Eleas wrote:I dunno...

Nom Anor in Vector Prime succeeded as well as he did by employing stealth rather than giving the game away. I'm not saying they would measure up against the Empire, but I am saying they would adjust their invasion plan.

Nom Anor's activities in Vector Prime and Crimson Empire involved fomenting rebellion and hostility. With the Emperor still in charge, any planet he tries that on is up for BDZ. Meaning no more rebellious populace.

I wonder why no one ever thinks that the Yuuzhan Vong merely replaced the original Empire's ideals. They both are pretty much ruthless bastards that don't care too much about the people they are conquering.

I wonder why the YV never invaded the Remnant space. They go right next to it. Maybe it is a sign of respect since they had the only decent and rational govt in the galaxy.

Mr. B wrote:I wonder why the YV never invaded the Remnant space. They go right next to it. Maybe it is a sign of respect since they had the only decent and rational govt in the galaxy.

I doubt they'd respect the Empire just because they're both militaristic. To their eyes, the Empire is composed of a bunch of heathen technology lovers. Also, the Remnant would hardly see eye to eye with the Vong's more brutal methods, like torturing people and altering them into horribly mutated slaves.

It because what remain of the empire would actually use what remains of the once great star destroyer fleet to kick the Vong butt...

Or because fighting a war on more fronts than you absolutely have to would be folly.

That and the IR is no threat, it's just too small.

Eleas wrote:I doubt they'd respect the Empire just because they're both militaristic. To their eyes, the Empire is composed of a bunch of heathen technology lovers. Also, the Remnant would hardly see eye to eye with the Vong's more brutal methods, like torturing people and altering them into horribly mutated slaves.

They can respect the THREAT the Empire poses to any invasion. They are apparently objective enough to know that organic or not, infidel or not, that wars are based on correlation of forces and objective realities. The objective reality is that the Empire's military machine would crush them like an ant.

And isn't this GE vs Vong thing supposed to be pure Star Wars. Where's the Trek part in this?

Eleas wrote:

Mr. B wrote:I wonder why the YV never invaded the Remnant space. They go right next to it. Maybe it is a sign of respect since they had the only decent and rational govt in the galaxy.

I doubt they'd respect the Empire just because they're both militaristic. To their eyes, the Empire is composed of a bunch of heathen technology lovers. Also, the Remnant would hardly see eye to eye with the Vong's more brutal methods, like torturing people and altering them into horribly mutated slaves.

Actually, they respected the Empire primarily because of its sane form of government (totalitarianism), which they thought was far better than the New Republic's failing democracy.

Master of Ossus wrote:Actually, they respected the Empire primarily because of its sane form of government (totalitarianism), which they thought was far better than the New Republic's failing democracy.

Maybe they thought it was better, but I just don't see any sign that they would respect the Imperial Remnant as anything beyond ignorant godless Untermenschen.

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:They can respect the THREAT the Empire poses to any invasion. They are apparently objective enough to know that organic or not, infidel or not, that wars are based on correlation of forces and objective realities. The objective reality is that the Empire's military machine would crush them like an ant.

That I can accept. Kinda like how the Soviets viewed the Nazis. Dangerous, dangerous animals...

And isn't this GE vs Vong thing supposed to be pure Star Wars. Where's the Trek part in this?

Inside a garbage compactor on the SSD Federation's End.

Perhaps it's a combination of things, the Remnant being
a) Somewhat less objectionable to the Vong than the NR
b) Less significant because it's smaller
c) Representative of an organization that could've flattened them
d) Not worth fighting another war while they're dealing with the NR/Rebels

Eleas wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:Actually, they respected the Empire primarily because of its sane form of government (totalitarianism), which they thought was far better than the New Republic's failing democracy.

Maybe they thought it was better, but I just don't see any sign that they would respect the Imperial Remnant as anything beyond ignorant godless Untermenschen.

How about the fact the one time the Empire's forces have engaged them, they've been ripped multiple new assholes?

I would prefer the IR to have my back than the NR, at least the IR would allow us to go down fighting not with creepy slave growths.

The completed Death Star 2 would hand this matchup to the Empire, easily. Eclipse SSDs, Sith Lords, all that stuff is nice to have but not neccessary.

The DS2 isnt necessary the entire compliment of the Imps ISD's isnt necessary 1000 ISD's could carry the day by simply stopping the Vong getting a foothold.