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Book/Movie discrepancy

Posted: 2003-03-13 12:06am
by Queeb Salaron
Ok, I read all the stuff on the Advt., but I still have a question. Maybe you guys can help me out with this one.

In Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Luke conjures up this big white ball of energy that he chucks at Vader. This is all, obviously, before Luke and Vader's encounter in the movie. What I want to know is this: If Luke could conjure up that kind of energy before the movie, why didn't he hurl a similar ball of energy at Vader again (or even Palpy) in the movie?

Posted: 2003-03-13 12:20am
by Joe
I have not read Splinter.

However, I would assume that 1) Vader and Palpatine would have no trouble blocking it; Luke knows this from experience so he doesn't bother and 2) this technique just isn't very effective, given that I don't recall any instance involving force-users flinging energy balls (except in some off the games).

Posted: 2003-03-13 12:28am
by Shinova
Durran Korr wrote: this technique just isn't very effective, given that I don't recall any instance involving force-users flinging energy balls (except in some off the games).

FYI:

Joruus C'Baoth threw a Force energy ball at Thrawn and Pellaeon, but they were protected by a Ysalamiri.

Posted: 2003-03-13 12:31am
by Connor MacLeod
He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.

And Shinova, that was Force lightning.

Posted: 2003-03-13 12:38am
by Queeb Salaron
Durran Korr wrote:I have not read Splinter.

However, I would assume that 1) Vader and Palpatine would have no trouble blocking it; Luke knows this from experience so he doesn't bother and 2) this technique just isn't very effective, given that I don't recall any instance involving force-users flinging energy balls (except in some off the games).
1) In SotME, Vader got hit and fell down a well (if I remember correctly).

2) Apparently it takes a great amount of Force sensitivity (which Luke obviously had), an amount that few people posessed. But apparently Joruus posessed that ability too (thx Shinova, didn't know that). I'm not going to go into a Joruus vs. Luke debate concerning Force ability, but I will say this: If a relatively untrained Jedi like Luke can chuck around balls of white energy in the OT, the sequels ought to be DAMNED interesting. But I suppose I have a while to wait for them. :)

Posted: 2003-03-13 12:41am
by Queeb Salaron
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Didn't he? I thought he took it with him?

Posted: 2003-03-13 12:56am
by Vympel
I don't think Splinter of the Mind's Eye is even official. It royally fucks with the movies since it was released before ESB and ROTJ.

Posted: 2003-03-13 01:02am
by Kuja
Queeb Salaron wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Didn't he? I thought he took it with him?
It lost its power when he took it out of the temple.
I don't think Splinter of the Mind's Eye is even official. It royally fucks with the movies since it was released before ESB and ROTJ.
It is. It's in all the Essential Guides.

Posted: 2003-03-13 01:19am
by Vympel
IG-88E wrote:
It is. It's in all the Essential Guides.
*blechhhhhhhhhh*

Too bad huh.

Posted: 2003-03-13 01:27am
by Shinova
Connor MacLeod wrote: And Shinova, that was Force lightning.

In Heir to the Empire?

It looked like a ball and it exploded against the ysalamiri field.

Posted: 2003-03-13 02:03am
by Cal Wright
I don't know how the comic depicted it, but it was force lightning.

Posted: 2003-03-13 03:36am
by Publius
Mr Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire (Bantam, 1991) describes C'baoth's attack as Force lightning, and the intent was clearly for it to be the same phenomenon displayed by the Emperor in Return of the Jedi (and now by the Count of Serenno in Attack of the Clones). Given Mr Lucas's more recent comments, it appears that he now envisions the lightning as a "Sith-only" power.

Mr Alan Dean Foster's Splinter of the Mind's Eye (Del Rey, 1978) is indeed canonical and official. Indeed, it would be a shame for it to be otherwise; it represents one of the earliest glimpses into the Star Wars universe, in a way that few of its successors can match: Mr Foster wrote the original novelisation, and there are even rumours that Splinter of the Mind's Eye was intended as a low-budget sequel in case Mr Lucas could not afford to make The Empire Strikes Back.

Publius

Posted: 2003-03-13 03:45am
by His Divine Shadow
Shinova wrote:Joruus C'Baoth threw a Force energy ball at Thrawn and Pellaeon, but they were protected by a Ysalamiri.
That was lightning

Posted: 2003-03-13 03:46am
by His Divine Shadow
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Did he have this when he fought Guri?

Posted: 2003-03-13 05:30am
by Boba Fett
I like A.D.Foster but "Splinter" is one of the most boring story I ever read...

The Kaiburr crystal were left at Halla. (at least I remember like that)

BTW, Zahn described C'baoth's attack as a force lightning...

@Queeb Salaron: Funny avatar! Is it the Lego Boba?

Posted: 2003-03-13 06:15am
by Connor MacLeod
Queeb Salaron wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Didn't he? I thought he took it with him?
He had it, but it was useless away from the planet Mimban (the effects of the amplification weakened the farther it got from the planet.)

Posted: 2003-03-13 06:16am
by Connor MacLeod
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Did he have this when he fought Guri?
Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.

Posted: 2003-03-13 06:27am
by Darksider
Connor MacLeod wrote: Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.
\

Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal

Posted: 2003-03-13 06:32am
by Vympel
Darksider wrote:
Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal
:roll:

Whoever wrote that should be fucking shot.

Posted: 2003-03-13 06:34am
by Connor MacLeod
Darksider wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote: Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.
\

Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal
Yes, the essential chronology.

Posted: 2003-03-13 06:35am
by Connor MacLeod
Vympel wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal
:roll:

Whoever wrote that should be fucking shot.
Why? :?:

Posted: 2003-03-13 04:15pm
by Joe
1) In SotME, Vader got hit and fell down a well (if I remember correctly).
He was likely taken by surprise, similar to how he Luke's dark side rage took him by surprise in RoTJ.

Posted: 2003-03-13 04:37pm
by Silver
Connor MacLeod wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote: Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.
\

Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal
Yes, the essential chronology.
That thing was written by KJA. I'm inclined to take it with a grain of salt.

Posted: 2003-03-13 05:49pm
by Darksider
Silver wrote: That thing was written by KJA. I'm inclined to take it with a grain of salt.

KJA????? ::::goes and tears up copy of "essential" chronology::::

Posted: 2003-03-13 06:05pm
by Raptor 597
Vympel wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal
:roll:

Whoever wrote that should be fucking shot.
It didn't work numb nuts. :P He took it out and kept it as a keep sake.