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Is there any mentioned way to suppress the Force around an area by means of technology in the Star Wars series? One that could be used on a ship scale at the minimum?

What is it with you and "OMG KILL THE FORCE" threads lately?

Also, yes to an extent. There are mechanical restrainers for locking down Jedi powers, there are critters that project a bubble of "Force no work here," and so on.

How well does the technology scale? Beats me.

I wouldn't call the ysalamiri 'technology', really

Thanks to the EU, there are any number of methods of countering the Jedi. A couple are even tehnological.

On the planet Mrykyr, a wolf creature called a vornskr evolved the aiblity to sense its prey through the force, and they are especially attracted to Jedi as a food-source. This eventaully serves as the basis for the voxyn. On the same planet, to protect themselves, tree-critters called ysalimiri developed the ability to create null-bubbles, and are the most common anti-Jedi tool.

There are various ancient Jedi and Sith artifacts and talismans that can protect one from Force attacks.

There is a mental discipline that can be taught to non-Jedi that suppresses their prescence in the Force, rendering them impossible to sense or manipulate directly. A warrior-cult of Nikto teaches their members this, and other anti-Jedi tricks and tactics like the use of cortosis weapons and armor. Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi came up with a counter technique during the clone wars, but to my knowledge never shared it before the event of episode III, and it only worked at relatively close ranges and when they were specifically looking.

In a similar vein, there is a rare giant sort of a worm monster that is force-invisible, and headbands made from the creatures flesh impart this invisiblity to the wearer. The Jedi allegedly hunted these to extinction, but there are still a few tucked away in odd corners of the galaxy, including the underbelly of Coruscant.

Droids and clones can sometimes make ideal assasins of Jedi, because they have no hatred or malice to trigger a Jedis danger-sense.

The Yuuzhan Vong and all of their biotech is both invisible to the Jedi and resistant to direct force attacks. I'm not sure how well growing a shell of yorik coral around a hull would work, but it's probably the most workable in-universe option for protecting an entire starship.

Gorog-nest Killik are force-invisible.

Several species in the SW galaxy, Hutts and Todayrians among them, cannot be mentally influenced by the Jedi, though they are not invisible.

Friendly force-users can likely provide protection. As can a few inscrutably ancient and powerful races.

During the early years of the Empire, a 'force-cage' was developed that had lightsaber-resistant bars and generated a field disrupting the powers of any Jedi within. But it only had a very small area of effect, and the devices involved were very delicate.

I believe there was a force-resistant Stormtrooper armor variant in one of the old Star Wars comic books. Not sure though.

Jedi cannot use the force when subject to repeated electric shocks.

A worm-like creature exists on an obscure backwater planet, which is more sensitive to the force, and better able to predict the future, than any Jedi. These creatures were used as components of advanced security droids, and were even nicknamed 'Jedi-killers,' however, the droids could only restrain hostiles, because if the worms ever sensed death they would go insane and the droid would become just a security droid.

The best example of Force supression would be the Sith torture mask used on Obi Wan Kenobi in the Clone Wars Comics. I didn't so much as suppress the Force but hinder the Jedi's concentration and connection to the Force (similar I would think to the bit about repeated shocks), which is far easier to accomplish than devising a specific technical means.

The shield holding Obi-Wan aloft in AOTC seems to have nullified Obi-Wan's ability to use the Force, otherwise he could have very easily broke free of his shackles, and fled. Force-cages are a creation of the EU, but this example is the one of the first of which hails directly from a source rating high on the canon-scale.

That set aside, the droidekas in TPM hindered both Jedi from marching their way onto the Lucrehulk's bridge. We can only surmise that the droidekas' shields somehow halted any Force-related attack that the Jedi could have unleashed, particularly because all other droids not being shielded were hardly a threat to a fully trained Jedi Knight. To boot, the shields within the generator-complex on Naboo separated all the Force-users present thereat.

There is in deed a good case that perhaps most if not all shields can stop Force-attacks, and while the EU may have a different viewpoint on this, film canon itself presents an entirely different reality. If that is so, then it stands to reason that perhaps the shields of any warship could withstand a Jedi's or Sith's power.

Boeing 757 wrote:The shield holding Obi-Wan aloft in AOTC seems to have nullified Obi-Wan's ability to use the Force, otherwise he could have very easily broke free of his shackles, and fled. Force-cages are a creation of the EU, but this example is the one of the first of which hails directly from a source rating high on the canon-scale.

That set aside, the droidekas in TPM hindered both Jedi from marching their way onto the Lucrehulk's bridge. We can only surmise that the droidekas' shields somehow halted any Force-related attack that the Jedi could have unleashed, particularly because all other droids not being shielded were hardly a threat to a fully trained Jedi Knight. To boot, the shields within the generator-complex on Naboo separated all the Force-users present thereat.

There is in deed a good case that perhaps most if not all shields can stop Force-attacks, and while the EU may have a different viewpoint on this, film canon itself presents an entirely different reality. If that is so, then it stands to reason that perhaps the shields of any warship could withstand a Jedi's or Sith's power.

Obi-Wan and Anakin were also caught by a "ray shield" trap in Episode III on Grievous's ship. Force fields seem to be the most consistent countermeasure to Jedi powers.

How about an anti-personnel mine? Or like a gun that shoots bullets? We know they have missiles so they could probably have other stuff like that because Star Wars has the best military kit in all of sci-fi. Plus they blew the door on the Blockade Runner with something explosive. Or are Jedi explosion proof like most action heroes :3

The Episode 3 noveliation shows Anakin and Obi-wan had a counter to Destroyer Droids.

They picked them up with the force, and tossed them backwards into something. That would cause the Destroyer Droid shields to ramp up to try to disintegrate the offending object, and burn it out.

Force fields seem to counter Jedi when the Jedi let them.

VF5SS wrote:How about an anti-personnel mine? Or like a gun that shoots bullets? We know they have missiles so they could probably have other stuff like that because Star Wars has the best military kit in all of sci-fi. Plus they blew the door on the Blockade Runner with something explosive. Or are Jedi explosion proof like most action heroes :3

From the numerous times we see Jedi take hits that should kill a normal human (Anakin falling onto Zam's speeder, Obi-Wan fighting Grievous, numerous fights from both Clone Wars series) some of them could almost certainly survive otherwise lethal explosions.

Solauren wrote:Force fields seem to counter Jedi when the Jedi let them.

From what I've seen, Jedi have no problem moving a shielded target, but they can't affect the target within the shield. So they can push a Droideka off a cliff or into a wall, but can't disable its circuitry like they do to a battle droid.

Force fields seem to counter Jedi when the Jedi let them.

Ok let's forget the stuff that wasn't in the movie because it wasn't in the movie.

And honestly that's really awful logic.

I don't think Obi Wan or Anakin wanted the ray shield to counter them. Or that Obi Wan wanted a shield to counter him when his fucking mentor died in front of him.

From the numerous times we see Jedi take hits that should kill a normal human (Anakin falling onto Zam's speeder, Obi-Wan fighting Grievous, numerous fights from both Clone Wars series) some of them could almost certainly survive otherwise lethal explosions.

Genius Padme also survive being next to a gigantic explosion so maybe she's force adept too.

Perhaps Jedi have no limits.

Solauren wrote:The Episode 3 noveliation shows Anakin and Obi-wan had a counter to Destroyer Droids.

They picked them up with the force, and tossed them backwards into something. That would cause the Destroyer Droid shields to ramp up to try to disintegrate the offending object, and burn it out.

Force fields seem to counter Jedi when the Jedi let them.

No they didn't. The droideka's got knocked around by the ship's malfunctioning gravity.

In the ep1 Droideka example, I don't think it was the ray shields that stopped the Jedi taking out the droids, but rather the fact that the droids were pelting them with blaster fire that their shields could absorb.

Qui-gon and Obi probably could have hurled them or squashed them or whatever, but that would mean concentrating on that rather than on blocking the blaster bolts, or being cornered by more droids.

VF5SS wrote: Genius Padme also survive being next to a gigantic explosion so maybe she's force adept too.

Perhaps Jedi have no limits.

If you're referring to when she fell out of the LAAT/i, she was within a shielded craft, why would that have caused her any harm?

If you mean when her ship blew up in the beginning of AOTC, than you must have forgotten she wasn't even on board at the time.

Master Bane wrote: If you mean when her ship blew up in the beginning of AOTC, than you must have forgotten she wasn't even on board at the time. :P

Yeah mean the huge explosion that split the ship in two and killed her decoy without horribly burning her.

Well Padme did duck and cover so I guess that protected her. If only Sergeant Thompson was able to do that in his anti-explosion suit.

VF5SS wrote:

Master Bane wrote: If you mean when her ship blew up in the beginning of AOTC, than you must have forgotten she wasn't even on board at the time.

Yeah mean the huge explosion that split the ship in two and killed her decoy without horribly burning her.

Well Padme did duck and cover so I guess that protected her. If only Sergeant Thompson was able to do that in his anti-explosion suit.

So the fact that an explosion that caused no structural damage to Padme's ship (the only notable damage was caused by two secondary explosions near the engines that snapped both wings off) and only blackened the clothing of those within the fireball did not noticeably wound someone dozens of meters away proves that Jedi are no tougher than normal humans. Right.

Padme was somewhat lucky to not be hit by shrapnel, but I see nothing that indicates the blast wave or heat should have affected her at that range.

Hey no visible shrapnel, assume vaporization. Must be a yottaton explosion.

Then again I guess people in Star Wars are all explosion proof. Or wear asbestos clothing to prevent catching fire from a John Woo explosion.

VF5SS wrote:Hey no visible shrapnel, assume vaporization. Must be a yottaton explosion.

Are we talking about the same thing? Beginning of AOTC, explosion of Padme's starship, shrapnel raining down everywhere?

VF5SS wrote:Then again I guess people in Star Wars are all explosion proof. Or wear asbestos clothing to prevent catching fire from a John Woo explosion.

I guess you missed the part where everyone near the explosion was blackened, smoking, and dead, despite wearing armor.

The blast also threw one of the fighter's off thelanding platform, so the shockwave mus have been fairly potent.

Eternal_Freedom wrote:The blast also threw one of the fighter's off thelanding platform, so the shockwave mus have been fairly potent.

That was actually a piece of one of the engines that did that, not the shockwave itself.

Did it? Fair enough, I only have a patchy old VHS of AOTC right now.

Jeez the way you describe it, that explosion should have killed more people :3

Barring my inability to decipher grainy youtube videos, (I think) my point was you can just use the exploding stuff on Jedi since all of their fighting tactics seem to be focuses on getting close to people to snap hiss them with their lightsabres. I mean their precognition is less useful than Nicolas Cage's in Next. And he could only see two minutes into the future.

VF5SS wrote:Jeez the way you describe it, that explosion should have killed more people :3

It probably did, what do you think happens when several tons of spacecraft start falling into a city from several km up?

VF5SS wrote:Barring my inability to decipher grainy youtube videos, (I think) my point was you can just use the exploding stuff on Jedi since all of their fighting tactics seem to be focuses on getting close to people to snap hiss them with their lightsabres. I mean their precognition is less useful than Nicolas Cage's in Next. And he could only see two minutes into the future.

They still respond to danger a second or more before it happens and can leap tens of meters in an instant, so I'm doubtful you'd be able to kill any of the more powerful Jedi unless you were willing to kill everyone within 100+ meters of the actual bomb.

The thing Dooku had Obi-Wan in in AOTC.