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Crashing into star destroyers

Posted: 2003-03-17 02:43pm
by Rye
is this a viable tactic for attacking SD's?i haven't seen the films in aaaages, and have no idea if shields or whatever where up when fighters crash into SDs. Someone PLEASE refresh my memory, cos i really can't remember crap.

Re: Crashing into star destroyers

Posted: 2003-03-17 04:11pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Rye wrote:is this a viable tactic for attacking SD's?i haven't seen the films in aaaages, and have no idea if shields or whatever where up when fighters crash into SDs. Someone PLEASE refresh my memory, cos i really can't remember crap.
Watch TESB again. Huge asteroids are effortlessly disentigrated on ISD's shields. In ROTJ, there is a scene where a Y-Wing crashes into an ISD, and is destroyed on its shields. Another incident would be when a TIE smashes itself into a Mon Cal cruiser at high speeds, and is desroyed, causing no damage to the Mon Cal. When the A-Wing crashes through the Executor's window, the shields were down.

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:22pm
by SoX
X-wing PC game. in the X-Wing PC Game you could take out an ISD with just a Y-Wing, 2 proton torps for each shield generator (shields down) and then your favourite flavour of cannon, be it Ion or otherwise to take it down. And arent all Lucasarts games approved by Mr Lucas beforehand?

-- In Later games Tie Fighter and Xwing vs Tie Fighter it was a little harder but you could still take one out with a squadron of X-Wings\B-Wings.

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:26pm
by Rye
yeh, my brother says something similar about x wing versus tie fighter, but that one apparently had more input from george lucas.
BTW i found the shields section on this page, heroes i say.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:30pm
by Lord Pounder
SoX wrote:X-wing PC game. in the X-Wing PC Game you could take out an ISD with just a Y-Wing, 2 proton torps for each shield generator (shields down) and then your favourite flavour of cannon, be it Ion or otherwise to take it down. And arent all Lucasarts games approved by Mr Lucas beforehand?

-- In Later games Tie Fighter and Xwing vs Tie Fighter it was a little harder but you could still take one out with a squadron of X-Wings\B-Wings.
Listen moron GAME MECHANICS ARE NOT CANON READ THE FUCKING ANNOUNCEMENTS BOARD BEFORE YOU MAKE HALF-ASSED REMARKS

Re: Crashing into star destroyers

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:31pm
by Darth Servo
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Rye wrote:is this a viable tactic for attacking SD's?i haven't seen the films in aaaages, and have no idea if shields or whatever where up when fighters crash into SDs. Someone PLEASE refresh my memory, cos i really can't remember crap.
Watch TESB again. Huge asteroids are effortlessly disentigrated on ISD's shields.
Not to mention the two ISDs that collide before they enter the asteroid field and have no visible damage.

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:44pm
by Rye
Darth Pounder wrote:
SoX wrote:X-wing PC game. in the X-Wing PC Game you could take out an ISD with just a Y-Wing, 2 proton torps for each shield generator (shields down) and then your favourite flavour of cannon, be it Ion or otherwise to take it down. And arent all Lucasarts games approved by Mr Lucas beforehand?

-- In Later games Tie Fighter and Xwing vs Tie Fighter it was a little harder but you could still take one out with a squadron of X-Wings\B-Wings.
Listen moron GAME MECHANICS ARE NOT CANON READ THE FUCKING ANNOUNCEMENTS BOARD BEFORE YOU MAKE HALF-ASSED REMARKS
Well, one must wonder, why lucasarts made it that way then...does anyone know? Cos they must have had a debate over it and decided it was the best way...?

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:48pm
by SoX
Well if it says it in the film then it must be true... sorry for introducing a new slant on things.

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:49pm
by Lord Pounder
Rye wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:
SoX wrote:X-wing PC game. in the X-Wing PC Game you could take out an ISD with just a Y-Wing, 2 proton torps for each shield generator (shields down) and then your favourite flavour of cannon, be it Ion or otherwise to take it down. And arent all Lucasarts games approved by Mr Lucas beforehand?

-- In Later games Tie Fighter and Xwing vs Tie Fighter it was a little harder but you could still take one out with a squadron of X-Wings\B-Wings.
Listen moron GAME MECHANICS ARE NOT CANON READ THE FUCKING ANNOUNCEMENTS BOARD BEFORE YOU MAKE HALF-ASSED REMARKS
Well, one must wonder, why lucasarts made it that way then...does anyone know? Cos they must have had a debate over it and decided it was the best way...?
Because games are fucked up things, In Starcraft one marine with a machine gun can kill a fucking battlecruiser. If the game was made as things are suposed to be no one would play because it'd be too fucking hard. I know you dumb but try and use that wee lump of lard between your ears. Also read the fucking announcement board where it says game story lines are the lowest form of canon and game mechanics don't even get mentioned. Serriously read the site before making stupid fucking comments.

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:53pm
by SoX
I think someone needs a hug.

Posted: 2003-03-18 02:55pm
by Utsanomiko
SoX wrote:Well if it says it in the film then it must be true... sorry for introducing a new slant on things.
It was neither new nor a 'slant', I'm afraid to inform you. It's a tired, old arguement that depends on ignorance of Canon policy. Game mechanics are to make the game fun, not realistic. If players want to fight against SDs without being totally anhilated, they'll fudge all the numbers they want to make it possible. Therefore, it's never considered an accurate depiction of how Star Wars works, so don't use it again.

Posted: 2003-03-18 03:01pm
by Rye
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
SoX wrote:Well if it says it in the film then it must be true... sorry for introducing a new slant on things.
It was neither new nor a 'slant', I'm afraid to inform you. It's a tired, old arguement that depends on ignorance of Canon policy. Game mechanics are to make the game fun, not realistic. If players want to fight against SDs without being totally anhilated, they'll fudge all the numbers they want to make it possible. Therefore, it's never considered an accurate depiction of how Star Wars works, so don't use it again.
well, that said, star destroyers are generally crap at shooting down fighters to my recollection.

Posted: 2003-03-18 03:03pm
by Enforcer Talen
which is why they carry ties ^_^

Posted: 2003-03-18 03:05pm
by Lord Pounder
Rye wrote:
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
SoX wrote:Well if it says it in the film then it must be true... sorry for introducing a new slant on things.
It was neither new nor a 'slant', I'm afraid to inform you. It's a tired, old arguement that depends on ignorance of Canon policy. Game mechanics are to make the game fun, not realistic. If players want to fight against SDs without being totally anhilated, they'll fudge all the numbers they want to make it possible. Therefore, it's never considered an accurate depiction of how Star Wars works, so don't use it again.
well, that said, star destroyers are generally crap at shooting down fighters to my recollection.
ISD's are built to kill Cap ships. Using a ship that costs as much resources to build as a ISD is kinda over kill thats why ISD's carry fighters and are often accompanyed by anti-starfighter cap-ships.

Posted: 2003-03-18 04:34pm
by Darth Servo
Rye wrote:well, that said, star destroyers are generally crap at shooting down fighters to my recollection.
Really. Only one of two fighters trying to ram the Executor's bridge makes it all the way, and was still damaged in the attempt. Thats a minimum of 50% chance to kill the fighter. You call that crap?

Posted: 2003-03-18 04:37pm
by Rye
Darth Servo wrote:
Rye wrote:well, that said, star destroyers are generally crap at shooting down fighters to my recollection.
Really. Only one of two fighters trying to ram the Executor's bridge makes it all the way, and was still damaged in the attempt. Thats a minimum of 50% chance to kill the fighter. You call that crap?
yes. yes i do.

Posted: 2003-03-18 04:49pm
by SirNitram
Rye wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Rye wrote:well, that said, star destroyers are generally crap at shooting down fighters to my recollection.
Really. Only one of two fighters trying to ram the Executor's bridge makes it all the way, and was still damaged in the attempt. Thats a minimum of 50% chance to kill the fighter. You call that crap?
yes. yes i do.
I suppose next you'll say they can't hit YT's, because they only nailed the Falcon two dozen times...

Posted: 2003-03-18 04:52pm
by Darth Servo
Rye wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Rye wrote:well, that said, star destroyers are generally crap at shooting down fighters to my recollection.
Really. Only one of two fighters trying to ram the Executor's bridge makes it all the way, and was still damaged in the attempt. Thats a minimum of 50% chance to kill the fighter. You call that crap?
yes. yes i do.
*smack* So what do you want? 100%? :roll: Perfection is impossible.

Posted: 2003-03-18 04:54pm
by Ender
Rye wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Rye wrote:well, that said, star destroyers are generally crap at shooting down fighters to my recollection.
Really. Only one of two fighters trying to ram the Executor's bridge makes it all the way, and was still damaged in the attempt. Thats a minimum of 50% chance to kill the fighter. You call that crap?
yes. yes i do.
I would assume that that is because you are a moron.

In real life, accuracy using guns (not missiles) agaisnt planes is pretty poor, hence the reason they use flak instead of straight shells.

Posted: 2003-03-18 05:08pm
by Rye
lol, i was being pedantic. i didnt mean it. heheheh

Posted: 2003-03-18 05:17pm
by Darth Servo
Rye wrote:lol, i was being pedantic. i didnt mean it. heheheh
*smack*

Posted: 2003-03-19 12:51am
by Kuja
Rye wrote:lol, i was being pedantic. i didnt mean it. heheheh
I see no one laughing.

Posted: 2003-03-19 12:55am
by Darth Balls
One thing everyone should remember is that games are made for GAMEPLAY, not authenticity.

Posted: 2003-03-19 01:13am
by Jordie
The most "realistic" starfighter games that are out is Starfighter and Jedi Starfighter, in those 2 you need capships to take out other capships, the biggest thing you can take out with a starfigter would be the Trade Federation troop dropships.

Posted: 2003-03-19 04:42am
by Typhonis 1
Something else to remeber in ANH TIE fighters account for most of the rebel kills over the Death Star and only Vaders Wing was launched.