old republic MMO place in cannon

[dragon]

All through the game bits of information about alot of different things show up and placed in the codex. My question is how cannon is that as lucas signed off on it. What about the game in general

[Galvatron]

All through the game bits of information about alot of different things show up and placed in the codex. My question is how cannon is that as lucas signed off on it. What about the game in general

I'm guessing that most of the codex is derived from already existing SW lore. Anything new is probably just as canon as any other EU material at this point. That said, am I the only one who feels that the trailers done by Blur Studio should be a TV series in their own right? Jebus they're awesome (although, admittedly, wanky in parts).

[Ritterin Sophia]

All through the game bits of information about alot of different things show up and placed in the codex. My question is how cannon is that as lucas signed off on it. What about the game in general

Unless directly contradicted by higher canon, explicitly stated to be retconned, or is part of the non-canon 'Infinities' series (A series of what-ifs for Star Wars) everything is canon. Video Games are C-Canon in the canon hierarchy. C-Canon (Everything not in a higher canon category) is superseded by T-Canon (Television Canon; The Clone Wars and any future live-action or animated series), T-Canon is superseded by G-Canon (Movies and anything written by George Lucas, including internal notes).

That said, am I the only one who feels that the trailers done by Blur Studio should be a TV series in their own right? Jebus they're awesome (although, admittedly, wanky in parts).

I remember a poll done on another forum asking if a Knights of the Old Republic movie should be made, my response was ' only if it's animated by Blur.'

[Darth Fanboy]

Im not going to get butthurt and angry that everything in those trailers looked just like their Rebel/Imperial counterparts centuries later, and admittedly they looked great, but it doesn't exactly convince me to go out and buy the game either. Especially knowing that eventually the Jedi win regardless.

[Havok]

It would have solved everything to just set it in the future and ignore any back story that hasn't already been established, so as to not get stuck beholden to past crappy stories and not establish anything the current BU has to stick to.

The Sith and Jedi lore is getting too watered down.

[Anacronian]

Blur studios usually take around a month to make one minute of trailer and at a price of around 3 million per minute, It would be unfeasible for them to do a TV series or even a movie due to cost and time.

[Meest]

Blur studios usually take around a month to make one minute of trailer and at a price of around 3 million per minute, It would be unfeasible for them to do a TV series or even a movie due to cost and time.

They can tone down the quality for a series or movie, the hardest part is limiting the amount of faces and unique models. Can see a bit of that in the trailers, mostly helmeted with a few "important" characters exposed with minimal talking. Not sure if it's mostly in house who writes or conceptualizes their work but I think that's the key to how good it is. Might be the format but they always manage good action and emotion in the limited time they have, just like the style over WETA/ILM-like standard.

[Galvatron]

Im not going to get butthurt and angry that everything in those trailers looked just like their Rebel/Imperial counterparts centuries later,

I have no problem with that at all. The Republic is 25,000 years old BBY and the technology has presumably remained unchanged since its formation. Quite frankly, I'd be ecstatic to see actual X-wings, TIE fighters, ISDs, etc in use during the SWTOR era if only to underscore just how old this technology really is.

[The Romulan Republic]

That would be a bit silly. Just because the basic technology is the same doesn't mean no new designs will be built over all that time. Besides, it would be boring.

I like the Republic ships more than the Sith ones, as while they use similar technology, they look a bit more unique. The Sith ones could basically be another Star Destroyer variant in the Galactic Empire.

One thing I find funny in those videos is the disparity in power and skill between the top level fighters and the other Jedi/Sith. A lot of them seemed like basically canon fodder, being taken out easily.

The red head with the jet pack in that last clip was funny too. I wonder if someone designing this game thought "let's cross Boba Fett and Mara Jade."

[Darksider]

I find myself not liking the "City in space" design of the republic capital ships from the online comic. I hope they come out with something better, maybe a larger version of the Thranta or Hammerhead classes.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well I was referring to the Republic designs in the video (I think those were Republic ships approaching Alderan at the end of the second clip).

Haven't read the comic.

[Galvatron]

That would be a bit silly. Just because the basic technology is the same doesn't mean no new designs will be built over all that time. Besides, it would be boring.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting that new designs are never introduced, simply that it wouldn't happen very often and that you're likely to see the same designs in use for centuries or even millennia before anything new comes along to replace them.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, I can think of some designs that were around for quite a long time. Not sure about any that were in use for centuries or millennia though.

I suppose it would make a certain amount of sense though. I mean, as long as an old design could still do the job it would be cheaper to just keep producing the new design than to come up with a new one.

[Darksider]

Supposedly the Hammerhead corvettes are still in service at the time of the Rusaan wars, so that's one design lasting 2000+ years.

[The Romulan Republic]

That's odd. They were labeled as cruisers according to Wookiepedia. Must have gotten downgraded at some point, unless Wookiepedia is just wrong.

Edit: I'm glad they stuck around that long though. The Hammerhead is a nice design. Possibly my favourite capital ship from ancient Star Wars.

[Imperial528]

Im not going to get butthurt and angry that everything in those trailers looked just like their Rebel/Imperial counterparts centuries later,

I have no problem with that at all. The Republic is 25,000 years old BBY and the technology has presumably remained unchanged since its formation. Quite frankly, I'd be ecstatic to see actual X-wings, TIE fighters, ISDs, etc in use during the SWTOR era if only to underscore just how old this technology really is.

I've always rationalized it in that the galactic economy is simply so massive that nothing short of a massive downfall of civilization could really dislodge the major manufacturing and technology companies from their role in guiding how technology looks and behaves. Even if it has advanced significantly between the time of the Old Republic and the time of the movies, if the same people have been making the stuff for the past several thousand years then you're bound to see styles surge and fade with the times, often repeating rather than dying out.

Heck, this stuff happens in real life quite frequently, especially in architecture. It's no surprise to me that for a civilization that has had faster-than-light travel since its inception has more or less looked the same throughout its history, with ways of building things repeating over time.

[Kingmaker]

Was I the only one who thought that the second trailer was retarded? First, I'm not a huge fan of Jedidoken, and I dislike the proliferation of staff sabers, which were ridiculous the first time. Second, what moron sees a man shrug off multiple shots from a rocket launcher and concludes that the solution is to try and knife him (also, DoWII trailer vibes). Third, executing an ambush by charging off a cliff. Brilliant!

Sorry, too much concentrated wank. Needs to stop trying so hard to "awesome".

Plus, three trailers that show me nothing about the gameplay. Boo! Hiss!

[The Romulan Republic]

I don't mind the staff sabres.

What bothers me about it most is probably the way in which Sith are going down so easily in that scene. A single Jedi should not be able to cut through several Sith warriors in seconds unless he/she is Yoda-level. An apparently non-Force-using trooper should have a much harder time in a fight with Sith as well.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Was I the only one who thought that the second trailer was retarded? First, I'm not a huge fan of Jedidoken, and I dislike the proliferation of staff sabers, which were ridiculous the first time. Second, what moron sees a man shrug off multiple shots from a rocket launcher and concludes that the solution is to try and knife him (also, DoWII trailer vibes). Third, executing an ambush by charging off a cliff. Brilliant!

I'm sorry, I saw a soldier hip throw a Sith and another trooper try and gut a Sith Lord with a combat knife while getting shocked by lightning and point-blank detonating what seems to be some kind of overpowered flashbang, your argument is invalid.

What bothers me about it most is probably the way in which Sith are going down so easily in that scene. A single Jedi should not be able to cut through several Sith warriors in seconds unless he/she is Yoda-level.

That was Satele Shan, descendant of Revan and Bastilla Shan, I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be approaching Yoda-level since in TOR she's Grand Master of the Jedi Order (The video we're discussing takes place shortly after the Fall of Korriban in 3681, TOR takes place a short time after the Sacking of Coruscant and subsequent Treay of Coruscant in 3653 BBY).

An apparently non-Force-using trooper should have a much harder time in a fight with Sith as well.

I would agree, if that Trooper were supposed to be a bog standard trooper, he's not. The non-Force Using classes are, to quote MIB, 'the best of the best of the best' or damn near the best in the Galaxy. For example:

By the end of the Republic Trooper starter planet you are playing the best operative of the Republic's most elite Special Ops unit. For Force Users you are playing a very exceptional Sith Apprentice; by level 22-ish my Sith Juggernaut had single-handedly killed a Jedi Knight, a Republic Grand Marshal leading a planet-wide insurrection, and detroyed said insurrection. By level 26-ish I had killed an established Sith Lord and brought the Hutt Cartel on Nar Shaddaa into the Imperial fold.

If you note the Trooper in the video is much the same, he's about on par with what one of the PCs in TOR are, but when confronted with his Sith equivalent (again "best of the best of the best") he's completely outclassed until the Sith's Jedi adversary intervenes.

*TBH I could be wrong about the Jedi as, though I made a Jedi Knight, I never made it past the first planet as I was more interested in getting the Imperial Agent, the Sith Inquisitor, and Trooper to bother with the Jedi and my Juggernaut took up most of my time.

[The Romulan Republic]

It still seems too easy. In the first video, doesn't Satele refers to the other Jedi as "master", which would suggest she is a Padawan (unless his actual rank is Master)? Her obvious youth fits with this. If she's a Padawan, she really shouldn't be that good yet no matter how strong she is. Hell, I'd have trouble buying even Anakin pulling that off when he was a Padawan.

And as for the trooper, I get that he's not an average trooper, but I still don't think it should be that easy. I have almost never so far as I can recall seen someone without the Force toss aside two Force users in a few seconds, with the sole exception of Grievous. So basically, either those guys were just pathetic or this trooper is on Grievous's level.

Edit: I suppose Satele could be a bit older in the second video, but still.

[VarrusTheEthical]

And as for the trooper, I get that he's not an average trooper, but I still don't think it should be that easy. I have almost never so far as I can recall seen someone without the Force toss aside two Force users in a few seconds, with the sole exception of Grievous. So basically, either those guys were just pathetic or this trooper is on Grievous's level.

Maybe Jace Malcom is simply a badass motherfucker?

Edit:
In regards to Satele, the war portrayed in the trailers is something along the lines of 20 years long, and the Battle of Alderaan in the Hope Trailer takes place toward the end of it. So Satele probably had more than enough time to "level up" as it were.

[Ritterin Sophia]

It still seems too easy. In the first video, doesn't Satele refers to the other Jedi as "master", which would suggest she is a Padawan (unless his actual rank is Master)? Her obvious youth fits with this. If she's a Padawan, she really shouldn't be that good yet no matter how strong she is. Hell, I'd have trouble buying even Anakin pulling that off when he was a Padawan.

Kao Cen Darach is indeed an actual Jedi Master rather than a Knight. Satele at that point is at about the same point in training as Obi-Wan is in TPM, a Padawan-in-name-only and much more akin to a Jedi Knight. In the Hope video she's quite apparently a well-established extremely skilled Jedi Knight.

And as for the trooper, I get that he's not an average trooper, but I still don't think it should be that easy. I have almost never so far as I can recall seen someone without the Force toss aside two Force users in a few seconds, with the sole exception of Grievous. So basically, either those guys were just pathetic or this trooper is on Grievous's level.

Why wouldn't it be that easy? To be honest, and I don't mean to insult you, it seems as though you have an inordinately high expectation of what a Sith can do. This wouldn't be surprising and would be quite understandable, the most readily identifiable Sith we have are the Sith from the OT and PT, who are very much the most exceptionable examples of Sith. In a large Sith Order of tens of thousands one would expect the average is going fall significantly far behind the likes of Palpatine, Maul, Tyrannus, and Vader. Could this maybe be the source of your contention?

In regards to Satele, the war portrayed in the trailers is something along the lines of 20 years long, and the Battle of Alderaan in the Hope Trailer takes place toward the end of it. So Satele probably had more than enough time to "level up" as it were.

The Battle of Alderaan (Hope) takes place about mid-way through the war. The TOR opening cinematic/Fall of Korriban takes place in 3681BBY literally the same year the Great Galactic War begins with the Sith opening fire on a Republic diplomatic envoy in what was called the Skirmish in the Tingel Arm. The Sacking of Coruscant (Deceived) is nearly three decades later.

This is Malgus as of the Opening Cinematic:

This is Malgus in Hope:

Finally him as of Deceived:

I understand it's harder to make out exactly what he looks like with both a face mask and hood, but he's still quite apparently notably older, no?

[The Romulan Republic]

I'm aware that Palpatine, Dooku, and Vader are exceptional Sith. However, so far as I know Maul wasn't that exceptional in terms of power (though a very good swordsman and certainly deeply Dark Side). And there are also various Dark Side fighters who aren't actually Sith to compare to. I don't see Assaj Ventress likely going down that easy either.

Then again, the portrayal of the power of Force users in general is quite inconsistent.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I'm aware that Palpatine, Dooku, and Vader are exceptional Sith. However, so far as I know Maul wasn't that exceptional in terms of power (though a very good swordsman and certainly deeply Dark Side). And there are also various Dark Side fighters who aren't actually Sith to compare to. I don't see Assaj Ventress likely going down that easy either.

Ventress is still pretty exceptional. You have to remember as of the OT and PT the Sith have the distinction of being able to pick as their minions a handful of the very best Dark Side disciples. The Sith of TOR takes anyone with Force-potential they can find, throws them into the Academy, and whoever survives is a Sith Apprentice. The Sith in Hope would largely be the apprentices of various Sith Lords sent to act as low-ranking commissioned officers in charge of companies or battalions of soldiers who would then be subordinate to successively higher Sith Lords with newly titled ones being the next step. Malgus would probably be an extremely powerful Sith Lord who has yet to take an apprentice of his own, probably in command of a brigade or division level unit.

Then again, the portrayal of the power of Force users in general is quite inconsistent.

No arguing there.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, its not entirely unprecidented. Recall Jango easily shooting down a Jedi at Geonosis.

Its still strange, but not completely out there.