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He did, I don't remember where or when he said it. All the fighting amongst themselves distracted from working against the Jedi, so they implemented the rule of two in order to stop all the fighting, backstabbing, etc.Ire wrote:Wait didn't Lucas say there used to be more than two Sith at a time before the Rule of the two? It's hardly the EU's fault for simply expanding on it.
I can't believe that I had forgotten this but the novelization of TPM goes into the history of the Sith in a fair bit of depth. I believe the author stated that this element was largely created with direct input from Lucas. Based on this chronology, the Sith were born from a Rouge Jedi 2000 years before TPM. Once the Sith order initially formed, intense conflict broke out among the followers who all conspired against their master and the Sith were thought destroyed. At this point Bane and his order went into hiding. What is odd about this version is that it doesn't address how Yoda knows about the Rule of Two as it describes Bane as having caused the order to be reborn after the death of the earlier Sith order in roughly the same fashion as the Darth Bane trilogy, leaving the same question.Kreller1 wrote:Ire wrote:
Wait didn't Lucas say there used to be more than two Sith at a time before the Rule of the two? It's hardly the EU's fault for simply expanding on it.
He did, I don't remember where or when he said it. All the fighting amongst themselves distracted from working against the Jedi, so they implemented the rule of two in order to stop all the fighting, backstabbing, etc.
This is another example of the problem with earlier depictions of the Sith, that authors can't agree on exactly how things should play out. In ROTS both Paplatine and Mace Windu state that the Sith once ruled the galaxy, but none of the EU depictions ever show this, every time the Sith come close and are defeated. That would have been a good one for invalidating some EU.Havok wrote:No, Yoda was EXTREMELY explicit in that scene. Not just in what he said, but how he said it. He believed it, almost to the point that you would think he had absolute proof.
During Darth Ruin's time the Sith controlled most of the Galaxy. Nothing is invalidatedAdamskywalker007 wrote:
This is another example of the problem with earlier depictions of the Sith, that authors can't agree on exactly how things should play out. In ROTS both Paplatine and Mace Windu state that the Sith once ruled the galaxy, but none of the EU depictions ever show this, every time the Sith come close and are defeated. That would have been a good one for invalidating some EU.
The EU's answer is fallen Jedi Kibh Jeen, who lived ~200 years BBY.Havok wrote:No, Yoda was EXTREMELY explicit in that scene. Not just in what he said, but how he said it. He believed it, almost to the point that you would think he had absolute proof.
Wookiepedia wrote:Kibh Jeen was created by Andy Collins and Robert Wiese, and he was first mentioned in the Living Force Campaign Guide, a Wizards of the Coast sourcebook that provided background material for the Living Force roleplaying campaign. In 2006, Jeen was mentioned by Abel G. Peña in the StarWars.com Hyperspace article Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties, as a means of resolving a continuity conflict regarding the Rule of Two. While the movie Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace established that the Jedi Order knew about the Rule of Two, later material indicated that the tenet was created by the Sith Lord Darth Bane in secret, and Jeen's testimony shortly before his death provided an explanation for how the Jedi could know of the rule.
Daniel Wallace (author of [i]Book of the Sith[/i], among others), from the endnotes to said book wrote:This was, in fact, a bit of a plothole for a while. If Darth Bane created the Rule of Two in secret, how can Yoda confidently quote "only two there are" in The Phantom Menace? And if the Jedi know about the Rule of Two, why do most of them seemingly dismiss it as unimportant?
In the article "Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties," Abel Pena came up with the explanation that a Sith cultist named Kibh Jeen (introduced in The Living Force Campaign Guide) had spilled the beans about the Sith, but was a raving lunatic whose testimony could be dismissed by any skeptical Jedi. Quinlan Vos references the Jeen testimony here.
What are you talking about?Havok wrote:It is fucking stupid that the the EU tries to make the movies make sense instead of conforming to the what the movies say and show.
Generalizing the entire EU because a few of bad writers isn't a good move, hell they just finally cleaned up her garbage about the Clones Production numberAaron MkII wrote:Well lots of the EU seems to be authors telling their own story, within the SW universe, instead of a SW story. Know what I mean?
Traviss comes to mind with her CoD mando stuff.
Except Lucas oversaw the book. And have you even read it?Havok wrote:Which basically took George Lucas to do.
And what I am talking about is what has been said in this thread. "OMG How does Yoda know about the rule of two when this EU source says this!" Frankly, I don't care if GL is the one that came up with the rule or not, the job of the EU is to conform to what the movies say and show. If they can't do that, then write about something else in the SW Universe. It's a big place. Although you would think it is just Tattooine and Thrawn.
http://star-wars.suvudu.com/2012/01/int ... gueis.htmlQ: It’s interesting that you mention Palpatine’s manipulation, because I think that the way Sidious killed Plagueis in his sleep is a great metaphor for the way in which Palpatine, the consummate politician, operates to get what he wants.
JL: From the very beginning, that was something that I tried to write around, because I thought that there wasn’t going to be a powerful enough ending in that business about him being killed in his sleep. But again, this was one of the times that George, as well as Howard, kept saying, “No, that’s what happened, you are not allowed to change that.” There was not going to be any lightsaber duel at the end, none of that. Just that very fact forced me to think hard about what weapon Palpatine was using to bring down Plagueis. If it couldn’t be a lightsaber and a duel to the death, it had to be this sense we always get from Palpatine that he’s the master at manipulating beings. I guess, by extension, you could think that that’s what he does to the entire galaxy – he just lulls everybody into this false sense of security
http://www.theforce.net/books/story/Int ... 142844.aspQ:How closely did you work with Lucas Licensing on Darth Plagueis? How much did George get involved? What advice did he give you?
JL: George was involved in the early stages. When the book was first proposed, I wrote to him and asked whether there was any reason why Plagueis couldn't be a non-human, and he wrote back that Plagueis could be a Muun and sent me some artist renderings of the character. From that point on, everything was approved, as they're saying, “at the highest level.” I worked most closely with George's right-hand man at Lucas licensing, Howard Roffman. It was a strange way to go about the book, because I kind of had to bypass both Del Rey and the usual editorial staff at Lucasfilm and work directly with Howard over the course of what amounted to about a year of preparation.
I submitted many, many versions of the outline until we finally reached consensus on where we wanted to go with the book. The marketing text about “this is canon at the highest level” – I suppose that's true, that a lot of the stuff came from the very top levels of Lucasfilm. Everything was approved at that high level. I had to make the assumption that Howard was speaking directly with George about a lot of this stuff. I didn't have any meetings directly with George, but it seemed like a lot of the approval was coming through him to Howard. I was not privy to all of the things that happened behind the scenes
I'm pretty sure he's not refering to the Darth Plaguis novel. The rule of two stuff was in the EU long before that.Ire wrote:Except Lucas oversaw the book. And have you even read it?
Even EU authors have a tiny sense of decency.The Romulan Republic wrote:Does anyone but Zahn write about Thrawn much? It seems every time I read about a new book with Thrawn in it, its written by Zahn. Surprising given how popular he seems to be with fans.