What if the Caamas Document Incident lead to a full War?

[Saxtonite]

I reread. Well; skimmed the Thrawn Duology. And I wonder how would the Imperial Remnant gone about doing things if everything went well for them. As in, the New Republic task force was captured by them, Luke & Mara couldn't find Niruan and the naval forces around Bothawui destroyed each other, allowing the three Star Destroyers to BDZ Bothawui with no survivors or witnesses (at least, no one knowing the Empire did it). The New Republic collapses into civil war, what now? I'd think the expanding Empire would be hard in growing as 200 ISDs could not protect systems hwo petition for readmission effectively. How would things go assuming the 'Film Triumviata' successful started a war and Pellaeon was not able to stop it?

[Baffalo]

Assuming Luke and Mara were unable to find Thrawn's clone, that would give Palleon a huge leg up. He would no doubt remain in charge of the military, but he would remember Thrawn's brilliance from before, and would capitalize on it immediately. Palleon was fairly level headed for an Imperial, even going so far as to make deals with the New Republic, so I don't think he'd be so stupid as to let Thrawn's clone go to waste. 200 ISDs would be a bit difficult to justify conquering the galaxy with, but between Palleon and Thrawn, they could probably scrape together something that would work, be it a new, smaller ISD (like the Republic's pocket Star Destroyer project) or simply expanding the current shipbuilding facilities already under Remnant control.

The chaos of yet another civil war would tear the New Republic into pieces, for numerous reasons. Many civilizations were still reeling from the Clone Wars when the Empire came to power, many having developed blood feuds long before even that. The Empire told them to put away their petty bickering and just do what they were told, though not without a fair amount of resentment. With no real authority focused on keeping the peace, rivalries would spring back up, and there'd be a real mess. Add to that the way the NR seems constantly bickering as it is, the chance to force their own political ideologies on other worlds will make some planets much more likely to turn on the Republic and fight.

Best case scenario would be a Republic that splinters into numerous smaller factions, with sector capitals such as Corellia and Mon Calamari becoming the heads of their own groups. Each will begin gearing up for war with their neighbors or simply maintaining a peacekeeping force, but regardless, won't be in a position to really do anything on a very large scale without complex alliances. These will give the Empire manageable chunks to whittle down the resistance and conquer the galaxy piece by piece, much as the Rebels had.

Even if the Republic reforms, it'll be in a much weakened state, and the Bothans do form much of its intelligence arm. Without that critical intel, the Empire will be able to start building up large fleets that might go undetected for quite some time, throwing the Republic off-balance and into chaos. To say that the Empire could win at that point is dubious because the Republic will be more or less united, and able to mount a serious resistance given enough time, but the Empire could take several key worlds and strike a hard blow to the Republic before they could react.

The biggest problem, regardless of the outcome of the Republic Civil War will be if the Empire can effectively work as a cohesive group, because Palleon's biggest issue will be the Moffs who continue to fight for power amongst themselves, and their demands to have access to larger territories as a result. If he begins breaking down new sectors amongst new moffs, he'll have the old guard trying to sway them and their own uncertainty in taking new offices in areas still coming under direct Imperial authority. Thrawn can handle the military aspect quite well, but it'll be Palleon trying to keep the Empire together and functional that'll tell how effective the Empire would be in the long run.

[Thanas]

Pretty much the above, with one caveat - Pellaeon would have to survive Disra first and I doubt any new members of the Imperium would be forced into it, simply because the Remnant is in no position to fight a major war.

[Saxtonite]

Many civilizations were still reeling from the Clone Wars when the Empire came to power, many having developed blood feuds long before even that. The Empire told them to put away their petty bickering and just do what they were told, though not without a fair amount of resentment. With no real authority focused on keeping the peace, rivalries would spring back up, and there'd be a real mess.

I wondered how that worked. I assumed the imperial diplomatic corps as well as the sector Moffs likely spent a large portion of their time and energy doing nothing but conducting political negotiations between various combatants in whatever bumfuck outer rim (or core) sector there was drama in. I'm doubting the imperials did a lot of suppressions as opposed to literally placing an oversector for central fleet to keep both sides apart.

I'm not sure though where the resentment from the Empire came from though. I an assuming it was mainly Outer Rim backlash given the Outer Rim was the main part of the galaxy who refused to surrender to the Empire even after the Clone Wars 'formally' ended with the death of the Separatist Council and I could see that transferring well given how long Separatist Holdout worlds held out for like a decade in places afterwards.

Best case scenario would be a Republic that splinters into numerous smaller factions

Which is the worst case scenario?

The biggest problem, regardless of the outcome of the Republic Civil War will be if the Empire can effectively work as a cohesive group, because Palleon's biggest issue will be the Moffs who continue to fight for power amongst themselves, and their demands to have access to larger territories as a result. If he begins breaking down new sectors amongst new moffs, he'll have the old guard trying to sway them and their own uncertainty in taking new offices in areas still coming under direct Imperial authority. Thrawn can handle the military aspect quite well, but it'll be Palleon trying to keep the Empire together and functional that'll tell how effective the Empire would be in the long run.

I'd think there were "moffs without a sector" who were kicked out of their sector when the New Republic pushed them back to eight sectors in the "Final Imperial Push" or whatever happened. Could you simply reappoint the former Moffs who were not unnecessarily racist/classist/xenophobic/risky with their lives/dicks in governors and get past the problem; especially given there would presumably be competent Moffs and whatnot>?

[Baffalo]

Pretty much the above, with one caveat - Pellaeon would have to survive Disra first and I doubt any new members of the Imperium would be forced into it, simply because the Remnant is in no position to fight a major war.

I'd forgotten about Disra. Yeah, Disra will throw a wrench into things, but I'm not saying it'll be impossible.

Many civilizations were still reeling from the Clone Wars when the Empire came to power, many having developed blood feuds long before even that. The Empire told them to put away their petty bickering and just do what they were told, though not without a fair amount of resentment. With no real authority focused on keeping the peace, rivalries would spring back up, and there'd be a real mess.

I wondered how that worked. I assumed the imperial diplomatic corps as well as the sector Moffs likely spent a large portion of their time and energy doing nothing but conducting political negotiations between various combatants in whatever bumfuck outer rim (or core) sector there was drama in. I'm doubting the imperials did a lot of suppressions as opposed to literally placing an oversector for central fleet to keep both sides apart.

I'm not sure though where the resentment from the Empire came from though. I an assuming it was mainly Outer Rim backlash given the Outer Rim was the main part of the galaxy who refused to surrender to the Empire even after the Clone Wars 'formally' ended with the death of the Separatist Council and I could see that transferring well given how long Separatist Holdout worlds held out for like a decade in places afterwards.

I imagine it was resentment from the Clone Wars combined with sudden authority being placed on them regardless of personal wishes. Take the Chommell Sector for example, which no doubt saw quite a bit of the war simply because Naboo is the sector capital. There were 40,000 reported settlements in that sector alone, and then suddenly they find themselves embroiled in a war with invasion fleets, fleet actions, trade disruption, and then a Moff placed in command with no real representation beyond a mere puppet in the Senate. The Outer Rim is not just the Outer Rim of the galaxy in terms of location but also in politics. The farther you are from a real source of authority, the more likely you'll find criminals, vagrants, and all around passive aggressive rebellion.

Best case scenario would be a Republic that splinters into numerous smaller factions

Which is the worst case scenario?

For the Remnant? A weakened but still united Republic that can call upon the resources of an entire galaxy. Sure, the fleets might be battered and weary but they can still answer to a high command that'll send them to where they're needed to combat the Remnant and, given enough time, possibly invade.

The biggest problem, regardless of the outcome of the Republic Civil War will be if the Empire can effectively work as a cohesive group, because Palleon's biggest issue will be the Moffs who continue to fight for power amongst themselves, and their demands to have access to larger territories as a result. If he begins breaking down new sectors amongst new moffs, he'll have the old guard trying to sway them and their own uncertainty in taking new offices in areas still coming under direct Imperial authority. Thrawn can handle the military aspect quite well, but it'll be Palleon trying to keep the Empire together and functional that'll tell how effective the Empire would be in the long run.

I'd think there were "moffs without a sector" who were kicked out of their sector when the New Republic pushed them back to eight sectors in the "Final Imperial Push" or whatever happened. Could you simply reappoint the former Moffs who were not unnecessarily racist/classist/xenophobic/risky with their lives/dicks in governors and get past the problem; especially given there would presumably be competent Moffs and whatnot>?

You could but are they technically moffs at that point? From what I recall, and Wookiepedia seems to confirm, that only Moffs with actual territory retained that title. Sure, there are ex-Moffs, but their territories fell to the New Republic, so they would be disgraced, yes?