What if the Jedi had to face modern armies?

Haruhi · Post by **Haruhi** » 2013-09-28 06:02pm

If the Jedi had to face modern armies, how they could be adapted? In my view, the following points would serve for this:

1. The Jedi would have to carry a lightshield to defend of shotguns and automatic weapons.

2. The Jedi would have to carry a Force imbued armor for more light and resistant.

3. The Jedi would have to focus more on speed to dodge bullets if no coverage.

4. The Jedi would have to educate the combat precognition to prevent explosives and sniper attacks.

These suggestions could make a game that was more realistic and adult about SW. What do you think?

Vehrec · Post by **Vehrec** » 2013-09-28 09:59pm

Ummm, okay, what the heck are you smoking, and where can I get some? Seriously, all this fanon and you post in 'Pure Star Wars?' Is this a joke thread or are you serious?

Jedi fight modern armies from starfighters, don't have to change their battleplan a wit.

Zwinmar · Post by **Zwinmar** » 2013-09-28 10:29pm

Slugthrowers are not unknown in the StarWars universe, you can see the Sandpeople carrying one.

they would already have to have these abilities when dealing with infantry combat in Star Wars so there is no reason to think they would fair any better or worse really.

madd0ct0r · Post by **madd0ct0r** » 2013-09-29 10:55am

bullets don't get deflect by lightsabers, they get eaten.

gigabytelord · Post by **gigabytelord** » 2013-09-29 11:28am

madd0ct0r wrote:bullets don't get deflect by lightsabers, they get eaten.

Which is irrelevant because Jedi can just telekinetically block or deflect the damned things.

What was this person thinking again?

Haruhi · Post by **Haruhi** » 2013-09-29 01:44pm

Zwinmar wrote:they would already have to have these abilities when dealing with infantry combat in Star Wars so there is no reason to think they would fair any better or worse really.

I think not, because a lightsaber does not protect from a shotgun, the jedi are not used to defend against automatic weapons and bullets are much faster then the blasters.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2013-09-29 02:12pm

Shotgun style kinetic weapons do exist in EU and depending on the era jedi might be covered in Stormtrooper style armor (SW:TOR and CW eras), also from the movies we know that Jedi Order has access to craft capable of making earth orbit trivially (delta-7 from Episode 2 and Eta-2 from episode 3) and again from the EU but the Ruusan reformation de-militarizied the Jedi Order on purpose, making it more like a SW equilevant of the FBI then a military spec-ops force.

Esquire · Post by **Esquire** » 2013-09-29 07:03pm

If you have trivial mind control, armies are a stupid thing to aim yourself at. Simply get the commander to order the army to stand down, mission accomplished.*

*You may say, 'but the lower ranks wouldn't obey!' Assuming that's true, rinse and repeat for whatever the highest-ranking officer left loyal is, continue until the army is neutralized.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2013-09-29 07:33pm

tbh Mind-tricks are generally considered non-trivial, it can be resisted by someone with enough metal fortitude or simply by the command being non-trivial and even large scale "mind control" abilities like Battle Meditation aren't 100% effective.

IIRC mindtrick needs the jedi to be with the person being tricked or at least in some form of contact with him and even then the command can be resisted.

lPeregrine · Post by **lPeregrine** » 2013-09-30 02:10am

Vehrec wrote:Is this a joke thread or are you serious?

Just take a look at their previous thread: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=159091

TL;DR is "Jedi need to be more like the player character in a video game", and everything else is just an excuse to make them more "awesome".

madd0ct0r · Post by **madd0ct0r** » 2013-09-30 03:07am

Haruhi wrote:
bullets are much faster then the blasters.

can you source that? I mean blasters ain't lasers but even so...

Haruhi · Post by **Haruhi** » 2013-09-30 04:20am

madd0ct0r wrote:
Haruhi wrote:
bullets are much faster then the blasters.
can you source that? I mean blasters ain't lasers but even so...

The sources are the movies: the blasters are slow enough to be visible.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2013-09-30 06:10am

Also according to the movies they are faster than space ships that currently at escape velocity. At the end of AotC.

edit: Well that's what I remember from the main site. Reviewing the scene, it's arguable.

gigabytelord · Post by **gigabytelord** » 2013-09-30 07:11am

Haruhi wrote:The sources are the movies: the blasters are slow enough to be visible.

That means nothing. you realize that bullets are perfectly visible as they travel through the air right? Having been around guns long enough I know for a fact that even non-tracers are clearly visible as they travel down range.

Make that bullet a tracer and it's now clearly visible at any point in the day (and during any weather type), and when I say visible I mean you can track it's movement with the MK1 eyeball.

Haruhi · Post by **Haruhi** » 2013-09-30 07:53am

gigabytelord wrote:you realize that bullets are perfectly visible as they travel through the air right? Having been around guns long enough I know for a fact that even non-tracers are clearly visible as they travel down range.

Make that bullet a tracer and it's now clearly visible at any point in the day (and during any weather type), and when I say visible I mean you can track it's movement with the MK1 eyeball.

The bullets are usually invisible. Clearly infantry blaster are slower than bullets.

gigabytelord · Post by **gigabytelord** » 2013-09-30 07:58am

Haruhi wrote:The bullets are usually invisible. Clearly infantry blaster are slower than bullets.

Wait... are you purposely being dense? Or are you seriously not putting two and two together?

By that logic Bullets usually travel at the speed of light then because hey they're usually invisible...

Bullets are usually invisible because they don't usually glow bright fucking red.

Metahive · Post by **Metahive** » 2013-09-30 08:02am

Haruhi wrote:These suggestions could make a game that was more realistic and adult about SW. What do you think?

Call of Duty - Modern Jedi

Do not want!

Make a promise, please. Promise you'll never become a game designer. There's already enough suckiness within the industry.

madd0ct0r · Post by **madd0ct0r** » 2013-09-30 09:44am

Haruhi wrote:
gigabytelord wrote:you realize that bullets are perfectly visible as they travel through the air right? Having been around guns long enough I know for a fact that even non-tracers are clearly visible as they travel down range.

Make that bullet a tracer and it's now clearly visible at any point in the day (and during any weather type), and when I say visible I mean you can track it's movement with the MK1 eyeball.
The bullets are usually invisible. Clearly infantry blaster are slower than bullets.

Lol. You trolled me good homey.

Zeropoint · Post by **Zeropoint** » 2013-09-30 11:55am

I concur on bullet visibility--the only reason you can't see them normally is that they're small and low-contrast in addition to moving quickly. In a situation where sunlight gleams off the back of a copper-jacketed bullet, it's quite possible to see them in flight, and with a tracer bullet, it's quite easy to see and visually track it.

Having said that, however, the blaster bolts on screen seem to move at speeds closer to arrows (~300-400 feet per second) than bullets, especially rifle bullets.

Zwinmar · Post by **Zwinmar** » 2013-09-30 01:07pm

I have seen bullets going down range: from a 12 gauge. I have seen tracer's go down range(from 5.56, 7.62, and .50 cal) and one thing bullets have that is directly observable is the trajectory, never mind you have to know about this to hit a damn thing.

However, I have not observed this same ballistic trajectory from blasters in the movies which, using deductive reasoning (which is not, repeat, not, how science is done) indicates blasters actually move faster because they go in straight lines. In other words, they don't have an observable ballistic trajectory which means they are either defying gravity or...they are going much faster than bullets do.

Haruhi · Post by **Haruhi** » 2013-09-30 04:08pm

gigabytelord wrote:Bullets are usually invisible because they don't usually glow bright fucking red.

No, if the bullets were bright, they would be invisible too, if blasters can see, it is because they are slower than bullets.

gigabytelord · Post by **gigabytelord** » 2013-09-30 04:23pm

Haruhi wrote:No, if the bullets were bright, they would be invisible too, if blasters can see, it is because they are slower than bullets.

"If blasters can see"? I... you're a fucking moron.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2013-09-30 04:58pm

Haruhi wrote:
gigabytelord wrote:Bullets are usually invisible because they don't usually glow bright fucking red.
No, if the bullets were bright, they would be invisible too, if blasters can see, it is because they are slower than bullets.

If blasters could see, that would likely be the result of them having sensors (something mentioned in the EU anyway). Them being visible doesn't say beans about their speed-that'd be the very clearly visible real world tracers mentioned by several people. Unless you want to argue that tracers are massively slower than conventional ammunition?

Haruhi · Post by **Haruhi** » 2013-09-30 05:59pm

In games like Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy is obvious that the blasters are slower than bullets and many would improve its weaponry.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2013-09-30 06:03pm

What have the games got to do with anything? Show that blaster bolts in the movies are slower than modern day bullets. Also, learn some english.
Many what would improve the weaponry of, if you could specify?

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