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Apparently Star Wars is anti native and the emperor is gay

https://books.google.com/books?id=BZnpR ... rs&f=false

It's the entire chapter by estrada

This is little different than David Brin's arguments, just with a slightly different lens. I wonder what he would say to the arrangement of the new films? And do these people even watch these movies? Everything they write is full of holes. I couldn't read the entire thing, but from what I was able to read here is something of a rebuttal.

Let's start with the assertion that the Force is a dichotomy between black and white, representing absolute good and evil, and that characters dress in stark colors that show their nature. . Stormtroopers wear white with black underneath, indicating that while they are apparently a force for law and order, they are in reality a force of evil. In Return of the Jedi Luke wears the opposite colors with a black uniform that is damaged to show the white underneath as he turns his back on the Dark Side and forges his own path. Han Solo similarly wears a black vest over a white shirt. And the Rebel Alliance does in fact wear a wider variety of colors, most notably orange flight suits. The real difference in color is between the stark colors worn by the dark side and the more naturalistic colors of the light, which is the complete opposite of what he tries to imply. And Jedi tend to wear shades of brown and light grey.

And more importantly, he misses that the films explicitly show that Jedi that completely turn against the Dark Side do worse than those that accept elements of it. It is no coincidence that Mace Windu rather than Yoda defeated the Emperor. And when Luke engaged in his second fight with Vader, he only won after unleashing his rage. But both were only successful because they were still fighting for a higher belief. Luke was fighting to protect Leia and the Rebellion, while Mace Windu was fighting for the soul of the Republic.

It then goes on to criticize the white elitism of the prequels. Does he fail to notice that these were the people who fell from power? The whole point was that the Jedi had lost touch with what they should be doing in the galaxy and that they were doomed to fall. The prequels were a tragedy. Hypothetically, if we had a minority cast in charge during the prequels, the opposite criticism would be made. The diverse case fell so that the majority white cast could save the day in the OT.

Another point he seems obsessed over is proving that Darth Vader is black. Every actor who has worn the armor has been white. As have the two actors who played the roll unmasked.

In any case, science fiction in general almost always supports multiculturalism through the use of sentient aliens. In Return of the Jedi, the forces of good win through the power of Mon Calamari capital ships and the bravery of the Ewoks on the ground. The same is true with Mass Effect, Star Trek DS9, and Babylon 5, in which the creation of multi species alliances leads to victory.

I couldn't read the section on the Emperor or on Coyote myths. What did he say about that?
Though on the Emperor, he seemed to be in love with the Dark Side and power itself. Love for an individual would never come into play for someone like him. Whatever apparent feelings he had for Anakin or Luke are simply a manifestation of this.

Adamskywalker007 wrote:And more importantly, he misses that the films explicitly show that Jedi that completely turn against the Dark Side do worse than those that accept elements of it. It is no coincidence that Mace Windu rather than Yoda defeated the Emperor. And when Luke engaged in his second fight with Vader, he only won after unleashing his rage. But both were only successful because they were still fighting for a higher belief. Luke was fighting to protect Leia and the Rebellion, while Mace Windu was fighting for the soul of the Republic.

I think this is a terrible misrepresentation of the end of Return of the Jedi.

Yes, Luke's rage helped him to defeat Darth Vader (though except for when Vader threw his lightsaber, he was holding his own before then). However, the film shows how close he came to falling to the Dark Side as a result, and his ultimate victory comes through doing the opposite- throwing his lightsaber away rather than fighting.

And considering that this is arguably the main event on which the outcome of the Rebellion hinged, and, in my opinion, Luke's most important defining moment, overlooking it is indicative of serious bias (I'm guessing that, like many, you don't like the straight-up Light Side vs. Dark Side approach, and want to add some moral relativism to the story).

It should also be noted that while Windu sort of defeated Palpatine in a duel (sort of because Palpatine seems to have been faking being too weak to keep throwing lightning), his rush to murder Palpatine without a trial (potentially a Dark Side action) helped push Anakin over the edge.

In other words, the Dark Side might help you win a duel, but costs you everything in the process.

And considering that this is arguably the main event on which the outcome of the Rebellion hinged, and, in my opinion, Luke's most important defining moment, overlooking it is indicative of serious bias (I'm guessing that, like many, you don't like the straight-up Light Side vs. Dark Side approach, and want to add some moral relativism to the story).

I was simply making that point that it is not as straightforward a dichotomy as is often seen. And the deeper problem with the Jedi is that they often throw out emotion entirely in an attempt to avoid dangerous passions, a mistake Luke does not make, ultimately relying on the redeeming value of love.

Though I should have noted the fact that Luke turned away before falling completely. It was an omission.

The Romulan Republic wrote:In other words, the Dark Side might help you win a duel, but costs you everything in the process.

This is true. I should have also mentioned the flip side. Vader ultimately uses the light side to kill the Emperor.

The Jedi made a great mistake in turning their backs on emotion. I don't feel that this alters the Light Side vs. Dark Side dichotomy though, because I don't feel that emotion, even emotional attachment, is inherently dark or that the films portray it as such. Vader's redemption was accomplished through love for his son, after all.

The way I see it, the Dark Side will let you access certain abilities and perhaps give you a boost in power, but at the cost of your mental health and your ability to work with others. And sooner or later, that's going to catch up to you. Like it caught up to Palpatine when he thought it was a good idea to torture a man to death in front of his extremely powerful father who has a history of turning on people to protect his loved ones.

Years ago, when I used to troll the message boards at AICN, I used to write very similar horseshit under the nickname of "Pud!". Everything was racist/sexist/homophobic/anti-Semitic/anti-Italian/anti-Mormon and worst of all, a show of disrespect to Halle Berry. Think of it as a movie nerd's version of Alan Sokal's Social Text gag, where he got the academic journal to publish a deranged piece where he claims, using state-of-the-art academic jargon, that gravity is just a "construct" which could be disproved by simply walking out the window of a high-rise.

No matter how outrageous my trolling got, only a small number of other posters caught on that I was in fact fucking with them. Did I really think Matthew Shepherd was murdered because of Lord of the Rings? Did I really think Charlize Theron was black, and made to look white to fool racist movie moguls? Did I really think The Two Towers was meant as an insult to the victims of 9/11 and the coup that brought Pinochet to power? Well, most of the posters and writers at AICN thought so!

Most of my posts from that era are long gone, but there's one that for some reason was picked up by a French fansite and preserved for eternity. Jeez!

The point of all this reminiscing over my shameful past as a mischievous troll is that after reading that pile of horseshit, honest to goodness I can't tell if the author is for real or if he's just picking up where I left off thirteen years ago.