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In the old stuff the Imperial Army (guys like Veers) was loyal to the state, COMPForce was loyal to the party, and the stormtroopers corps loyal to the throne.

Does that all still exist in the nu-canon, or is it all stormtroopers all the way down?

I mean the reason why the army and compforce existed in the first place was just to have lower level encounters for your heroes in the RPG, goblins to the stormtrooper's orcs, but it still made a bit of sense for what the Empire was supposed to be.

The ISB is still around. and Veers is still in, but are those organizations still "attached" to those or has it all been changed up?

Near as has been shown, stormtroopers are the Army, and the Army are all stormtroopers. There is no COMPForce, but COMPNOR still exists IIRC so maybe at some point they'd be brought back? I wouldn't hold my breath on it, though.

But really, even in the old EU the Imperial Army barely existed outside of the WEG guides Timothy Zahn, and the Empire comics. The vast majority of authors treated stormtroopers as if they were the rank and file. So they might as well go this way in Disney Canon as well.

As far as I can see, they've gone for all infantry being stormtroopers; though that does make some sense. If you've got the industrial capacity to churn out all that armour, you might as well give it to everyone. Also, it means that enemies can't tell (at least not by appearance) whether they're facing elite headbreakers or bumbling incompetents. The 'elite stormtrooper' role seems to have been taken by the Death Troopers, though Vader's stormtroopers in 'Siege of Lothal' were noticeably more competent than many of their 'Rebel's counterparts.

That said, I wouldn't have minded seeing some other types; even if only some planetary police or militia under Imperial control. As of Rebels, stormtroopers have to do pretty much everything, even hassling fruit sellers for trading without a permit. Of course, it could be that Lothal isn't trusted to maintain a separate police force, but the general impression seems to be that the Imperial forces do everything.

Yes, their's pretty obviously a wide range of quality in stormtroopers, but one would expect Vader's own forces (are they still called the 501st. Legion?) to be among the best. Vader doesn't tolerate incompetence from his men.

They still exist in name even if they don't resemble their old incarnations.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Commissi ... _New_Order

In general, what I have seen from the new EU is that most of it is mostly the same as the old with respect to locations, organizations, and the broad scope of history. The main differences is that few if any characters from the old continuity are the same, and that the events have been massively changed, with the changes increasing the further forwards you move in the timeline. Knights of the Old Republic might still be canon(notably Taris has been mentioned already) and Darth Bane still is as well, but virtually nothing from the New Jedi Order series and beyond likely will be. Though there was actually a reference to the Yuzhan Vong having an appearance in the unfinished seasons of Clone Wars surprisingly enough, sketches even exist.

Though there are several changes that do seem to streamline things, like that stormtroopers are now the default soldiers of the Empire. Which is honestly what they were from the old continuity in the majority of sources, including the films. It was the exception that made them elite shock troopers.

Adam Reynolds wrote:Though there was actually a reference to the Yuzhan Vong having an appearance in the unfinished seasons of Clone Wars surprisingly enough, sketches even exist.

Yes, but there would've been changes made to them. I read just the other day that according to Filoni, Lucas in their discussions decided that the Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't be force resistant nor that they would be extragalactic.

Isn't Kallus COMFOR at least officially?

Lord Revan wrote:Isn't Kallus COMFOR at least officially?

Apparently.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kallus

The ISB is under COMPNOR now, if it wasn't already.

The Imperial Security Bureau (ISB), also referred to as the Security Bureau or Imperial Security, was a law enforcement and intelligence agency of the Galactic Empire that was charged with matters of state security and ensuring the loyalty of citizens to the Empire. Aside from that, it happened to be one of the many umbrella organizations under the greater Commission for the Preservation of the New Order, and was larger than its sister agency Imperial Intelligence.

Mange wrote:

Adam Reynolds wrote: Yes, but there would've been changes made to them. I read just the other day that according to Filoni, Lucas in their discussions decided that the Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't be force resistant nor that they would be extragalactic.

True, but it is still surprising that they were included at all, especially because I don't see the target audience. Proper fans of the concept would be annoyed that it was changed, while anyone else would either not get the reference or be annoyed that it was included in the first place.

Edit: This is much the same problem that occurred when a Selkath(from KOTOR) character was introduced but changed, many criticized the differences. Notably it was over the fact that he spoke basic from what I remember. Though it was also a crap political episode that the character was introduced in.

Adam Reynolds wrote:True, but it is still surprising that they were included at all, especially because I don't see the target audience. Proper fans of the concept would be annoyed that it was changed, while anyone else would either not get the reference or be annoyed that it was included in the first place.

Same could be said about how they changed the Mandalorians. Karen Traviss' "Fandalorians" were outraged.

Ender wrote:I mean the reason why the army and compforce existed in the first place was just to have lower level encounters for your heroes in the RPG, goblins to the stormtrooper's orcs, but it still made a bit of sense for what the Empire was supposed to be.

COMPNOR still exists in the Nu-Canon-EU. It was amusingly preceded by something called COMPOR (Committee for the Preservation of the Republic)

MKSheppard wrote:COMPNOR still exists in the Nu-Canon-EU. It was amusingly preceded by something called COMPOR (Committee for the Preservation of the Republic)

Yeah, but you can thank the old EU for giving us COMPOR first.

Ender wrote:In the old stuff the Imperial Army (guys like Veers) was loyal to the state, COMPForce was loyal to the party, and the stormtroopers corps loyal to the throne.

According to Wookiepedia, Veers is still ImpArmy and the Stormtrooper Corps are now a branch of the Imperial Army, which is descended from the Grand Army of the Republic, for what it's worth under the Nu-Canon.

Right, COMPNOR exists, and the Imperial Army exists (I did check wookiepedia before posting) but I was unclear if COMPForce (the assault troops and military wing of the party) or if your bog standard Imperial Army trooper still existed. Apparently the answer is no, it is stormies all the way down.

Juubi Karakuchi wrote:As far as I can see, they've gone for all infantry being stormtroopers; though that does make some sense. If you've got the industrial capacity to churn out all that armour, you might as well give it to everyone. Also, it means that enemies can't tell (at least not by appearance) whether they're facing elite headbreakers or bumbling incompetents. The 'elite stormtrooper' role seems to have been taken by the Death Troopers, though Vader's stormtroopers in 'Siege of Lothal' were noticeably more competent than many of their 'Rebel's counterparts.

That said, I wouldn't have minded seeing some other types; even if only some planetary police or militia under Imperial control. As of Rebels, stormtroopers have to do pretty much everything, even hassling fruit sellers for trading without a permit. Of course, it could be that Lothal isn't trusted to maintain a separate police force, but the general impression seems to be that the Imperial forces do everything.

Cloud City had its own police force, if I recall correctly.

Coruscant had a civilian droid police force during the Clone Wars. No idea if it was kept in service post-Empire though.

amigocabal wrote:

Juubi Karakuchi wrote:As far as I can see, they've gone for all infantry being stormtroopers; though that does make some sense. If you've got the industrial capacity to churn out all that armour, you might as well give it to everyone. Also, it means that enemies can't tell (at least not by appearance) whether they're facing elite headbreakers or bumbling incompetents. The 'elite stormtrooper' role seems to have been taken by the Death Troopers, though Vader's stormtroopers in 'Siege of Lothal' were noticeably more competent than many of their 'Rebel's counterparts.

That said, I wouldn't have minded seeing some other types; even if only some planetary police or militia under Imperial control. As of Rebels, stormtroopers have to do pretty much everything, even hassling fruit sellers for trading without a permit. Of course, it could be that Lothal isn't trusted to maintain a separate police force, but the general impression seems to be that the Imperial forces do everything.

Cloud City had its own police force, if I recall correctly.

Ah yes, you're right. Once again, it seems to be a case of a planet's status and how well it is trusted. I somehow forgot that Alderaan still has a PSF with corvettes (three of which Leia arranged to be 'stolen' in Rebels); but Alderaan is a wealthy and highly-respected Core world while Lothal is an Outer Rim backwater nobody cares about.

Juubi Karakuchi wrote:

amigocabal wrote:

Juubi Karakuchi wrote:As far as I can see, they've gone for all infantry being stormtroopers; though that does make some sense. If you've got the industrial capacity to churn out all that armour, you might as well give it to everyone. Also, it means that enemies can't tell (at least not by appearance) whether they're facing elite headbreakers or bumbling incompetents. The 'elite stormtrooper' role seems to have been taken by the Death Troopers, though Vader's stormtroopers in 'Siege of Lothal' were noticeably more competent than many of their 'Rebel's counterparts.

That said, I wouldn't have minded seeing some other types; even if only some planetary police or militia under Imperial control. As of Rebels, stormtroopers have to do pretty much everything, even hassling fruit sellers for trading without a permit. Of course, it could be that Lothal isn't trusted to maintain a separate police force, but the general impression seems to be that the Imperial forces do everything.

Cloud City had its own police force, if I recall correctly.

Ah yes, you're right. Once again, it seems to be a case of a planet's status and how well it is trusted. I somehow forgot that Alderaan still has a PSF with corvettes (three of which Leia arranged to be 'stolen' in Rebels); but Alderaan is a wealthy and highly-respected Core world while Lothal is an Outer Rim backwater nobody cares about.

Also and this is important Lothal has a history of rebel activity, so there might not be a "police" force because the imperial HQ (either sectorial or overall) thinks that such a force would a liability. After all not even the empire is stupid enough to train a potential rebel force for shits and giggles.