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ROTJ question

Posted: 2003-04-02 09:02am
by Lord_Xerxes
Has anyone ever brought up the flamming TIE fighter that crashes into the bridge section of a Star Destroyer in ROTJ? First off, how does that happen in space?

And second, the TIE collides with the bridge, but the bridge completely no-sells. There's no apparent damage at all. Ideas? Comments?

Re: ROTJ question

Posted: 2003-04-02 09:29am
by Ted C
Lord_Xerxes wrote:Has anyone ever brought up the flamming TIE fighter that crashes into the bridge section of a Star Destroyer in ROTJ? First off, how does that happen in space?
Atmosphere and flammable chemicals leaking from the craft itself, or plasma coming from its engines.
Lord_Xerxes wrote:And second, the TIE collides with the bridge, but the bridge completely no-sells. There's no apparent damage at all. Ideas? Comments?
The shields held. :roll:

Re: ROTJ question

Posted: 2003-04-02 09:33am
by Lord_Xerxes
Ted C wrote:
Atmosphere and flammable chemicals leaking from the craft itself, or plasma coming from its engines.
I thought that's what it probably was, something to do with atomsphere. But I wasn't sure.

The shields held. :roll:
Can someone get some screen shots of this up? Because it looked to me like a direct impact. Unless of course these are the variety that are "hull-huggers"

Re: ROTJ question

Posted: 2003-04-02 10:48am
by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman
Lord_Xerxes wrote:

The shields held. :roll:
Can someone get some screen shots of this up? Because it looked to me like a direct impact. Unless of course these are the variety that are "hull-huggers"
IIRC events in the movies show that SW shields are hull-hugging, like asteroid scene in TESB.

Posted: 2003-04-02 10:51am
by Lord_Xerxes
I think with the prequels out, we've seen both variety of shielding.

Posted: 2003-04-02 04:25pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Lord_Xerxes wrote:I think with the prequels out, we've seen both variety of shielding.
Planetary shields (TESB, ROTJ, TPM) shouldn't be hull hugging, as they need to protect a large area.

Droidekas may be forced to use the bubble-effect shield because it requires less power than the hull-hugging effect, given the Droidekas small generator. Note the droids arms most prominently. Most starfighters don't have any external moving parts, limiting the need to move the shield for them, and capships have huge genrators anyways, but the Droideka-again given its smaller generator-would have difficulty re-adjusting the shields every second while its arms move back and forth.

Posted: 2003-04-02 04:28pm
by Slartibartfast
In the OT pretty much all shields are hull-hugging. In the prequels, a few like the Naboo Starfighter and the Droidekas have bubble shields.

When the Falcon is hit when running away from the Destroyer (they obviously hit the shields, or he'd be vaporized) there's no visible shield away from the hull, it looks like it hits the ship and rocks it real bad.

Posted: 2003-04-02 04:35pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Slartibartfast wrote:In the OT pretty much all shields are hull-hugging. In the prequels, a few like the Naboo Starfighter and the Droidekas have bubble shields.

When the Falcon is hit when running away from the Destroyer (they obviously hit the shields, or he'd be vaporized) there's no visible shield away from the hull, it looks like it hits the ship and rocks it real bad.
THe N-1 had hull-hugging shields.

And what the heck are you saying in that second one??? If your reffering to the lack of a visible shield, its because in space shields have no air particles to react to (giving in atmosphere shields there blue glow), thus they remain invisible.

Interestingly, the N-is shields-even in an atmosphere, fail to shimmer when hit, even though Anakins ship was getting shot at in the TradeFed ships hangar.

Posted: 2003-04-02 07:03pm
by Sidious
Shields or not, the TIE that explodes is entirely too large in comparison to the SD's bridge tower IIRC.

Is it possible the TIE never hit the tower and it was just the angle of the camera making it look that way? Or was it a really small SD? Or maybe im just losing my memory.

Posted: 2003-04-02 08:23pm
by Mad
You mean the destroyed TIE from this scene? It was destroyed by incoming Rebel fire, not ramming into the tower.

Posted: 2003-04-02 09:59pm
by Cal Wright
Now a Y-Wing impacted much earlier in the battle.

Posted: 2003-04-03 03:39am
by Boba Fett
Mad wrote:You mean the destroyed TIE from this scene? It was destroyed by incoming Rebel fire, not ramming into the tower.
Yes, it never rammed into the tower.

A rebel fighter set it on flames and a second later it blown up.

Posted: 2003-04-03 02:08pm
by Lord_Xerxes
Meh, i was watch the movie the other day, and I thought I saw it collide. Even in those pictures it's pretty close. That laser blast isn't anywhere near it, and you can see in the second picture where the laser blast hit the tower (unless that's debris)

Posted: 2003-04-03 03:25pm
by Mad
Lord_Xerxes wrote:Meh, i was watch the movie the other day, and I thought I saw it collide. Even in those pictures it's pretty close. That laser blast isn't anywhere near it, and you can see in the second picture where the laser blast hit the tower (unless that's debris)
The TIE isn't nearly close enough. Look at the small X-wing in that picture. And that X-wing is still in front of the tower, though pretty far from the TIE. The laser blast you see is from said X-wing. The bolts that destroyed the TIE appeared to come from the Mon Cal in the background, and are not visible in either of the frames my image shows. (And, yes, the X-wing's lasers hit the tower. Two were fired before that final shot, creating the white flash seen on the left frame.)
Cal Wright wrote:Now a Y-Wing impacted much earlier in the battle.
Yep. And it created a pretty big flash when it hit, too.

Re: ROTJ question

Posted: 2003-04-03 03:49pm
by Sea Skimmer
Lord_Xerxes wrote:Has anyone ever brought up the flamming TIE fighter that crashes into the bridge section of a Star Destroyer in ROTJ? First off, how does that happen in space?
The fuel used by Star wars Fighters and small craft is heavy metals and radioactive gases. I dont think where really talking about normal combustion.