New Clone Wars Season 7 Trailer.

[The Romulan Republic]

From Star Wars Celebration. Skip to the end of the video for the trailer, if the panel doesn't interest you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XlB2EJZuA

So yeah. Its back. Looks like quite a lot about Ashoka, and what she did after leaving the Order.

[Mange]

Looks good! Too bad that the Utapau and Kashyyyk arcs won't be part of the four finished arcs.

[Gandalf]

Fuck me, that's still going?

[The Romulan Republic]

It was cancelled after the sale to Disney (after five season, as I recall). There was much fan outcry. They eventually, I believe, released several uncompleted stories, which I guess would be season six. This is season seven.

So yeah, killed and brought back, presumably because The Clone Wars and Rebels seem to be the only part of the Disney era (besides maybe Rogue One) that fans almost universally like.

[KraytKing]

Sigh. Oh well. I had hoped to avoid the ridiculousness of the Bad Batch arc, but looks like it's still in there. Didn't see Echo, though, so I can still hope they cut him out of it.

[applejack]

New trailer dropped this morning:



Releases on Disney+ on February 21.

[The Romulan Republic]

Rumour is that the end of the season will overlap with/take place alongside of RotS/Order 66, and some details of the trailer (most notable the shot of Anakin talking to a visibly-pregnant Padme) seem to confirm this:

https://ca.ign.com/articles/star-wars-c ... f-the-sith

[Knife]

Only 4 into it. Not bad. The Bad Batch are over the top, but not bad. Rebels ended up being a decent ending to Clone Wars but... this isn't bad.

[chimericoncogene]

Watched episodes 8 and 9 - man were they awesome. Z-95 headhunters, blaster fire everywhere, jetpack legions...
Everything Star Wars was meant to be.
And the homecoming welcome Ahsoka got... that brought tears to my eyes.
I can't wait for Order 66. Doesn't cover Ahsoka, now, doesn't it?

[The Romulan Republic]

Watched episodes 8 and 9 - man were they awesome. Z-95 headhunters, blaster fire everywhere, jetpack legions...
Everything Star Wars was meant to be.
And the homecoming welcome Ahsoka got... that brought tears to my eyes.
I can't wait for Order 66. Doesn't cover Ahsoka, now, doesn't it?

I have a feeling Palpatine would want to tie up loose ends, especially ones with close emotional ties to Anakin/Vader.

[bilateralrope]

Watched episodes 8 and 9 - man were they awesome. Z-95 headhunters, blaster fire everywhere, jetpack legions...
Everything Star Wars was meant to be.
And the homecoming welcome Ahsoka got... that brought tears to my eyes.
I can't wait for Order 66. Doesn't cover Ahsoka, now, doesn't it?

I have a feeling Palpatine would want to tie up loose ends, especially ones with close emotional ties to Anakin/Vader.

Sure, I can see Palpatine wanting that. But Rebels has already shown us what happens to Ahsoka.

[Lord Revan]

Though considering based on the comics Order 66 does cover the inquisitors even though they're not only ex-jedi but also imperial agents I suppose it should cover Ahsoka as well so we'll how she'll escape from the clones (possibly with Rex's help).

[The Romulan Republic]

Watched episodes 8 and 9 - man were they awesome. Z-95 headhunters, blaster fire everywhere, jetpack legions...
Everything Star Wars was meant to be.
And the homecoming welcome Ahsoka got... that brought tears to my eyes.
I can't wait for Order 66. Doesn't cover Ahsoka, now, doesn't it?

I have a feeling Palpatine would want to tie up loose ends, especially ones with close emotional ties to Anakin/Vader.

Sure, I can see Palpatine wanting that. But Rebels has already shown us what happens to Ahsoka.

Well yeah. My point is that there will likely be an attempt to take her out.

[chimericoncogene]

Well yeah. My point is that there will likely be an attempt to take her out.

It's Order 66. They're all going to go. Unless Palps is omniscient, (and i think he cut ties with Maul a long time ago), he's not going to send someone after her specifically.

Heck, even Kenobi didn't warrant a special hit squad other than his own 7th Star Corps and seven Star Destroyers. Ahsoka's got a whole division of crack troops and three Venators with her. Plus, those troops have known her for years, and know exactly how to hunt her down if she runs. She's totally covered.

[Lord Revan]

Well yeah. My point is that there will likely be an attempt to take her out.

It's Order 66. They're all going to go. Unless Palps is omniscient, (and i think he cut ties with Maul a long time ago), he's not going to send someone after her specifically.

Heck, even Kenobi didn't warrant a special hit squad other than his own 7th Star Corps and seven Star Destroyers. Ahsoka's got a whole division of crack troops and three Venators with her. Plus, those troops have known her for years, and know exactly how to hunt her down if she runs. She's totally covered.

Well based on the comics if a target is indentified as a jedi and the code phrase is spoken the clones with the chip will go into "must kill that person" mode, so you don't really have to send hit squads after anyone specifically as being near clones and being identified as a jedi (and pretty much everyone in the 501st considered Ahsoka to be a jedi) would be enough.

[chimericoncogene]

Well based on the comics if a target is indentified as a jedi and the code phrase is spoken the clones with the chip will go into "must kill that person" mode, so you don't really have to send hit squads after anyone specifically as being near clones and being identified as a jedi (and pretty much everyone in the 501st considered Ahsoka to be a jedi) would be enough.

My point exactly. Nobody needs a hit squad because every Jedi worth his/her salt is lugging a division-sized crack hit squad around, with armor, artillery, air and orbital support. That was why Order 66 worked.

Sigh... it's terrible storytelling like the brain chips that make me miss the old canon the most.
The old canon made explicitly clear that the clones were not brainwashed or duped, but merely following orders, orders they very much did not like but executed anyway, because they were good soldiers, and that the Jedi didn't pick it up because the clones held no malice in their hearts when they gritted their teeth and did their jobs, and that the Senate didn't pick it up because nobody took page 66 (out of 150 pages of bureaucratese) seriously.

I greatly preferred the traditional explanation - it gives Order 66 much more pathos, and makes it all the more tragic for everyone involved. It's a much more compelling story than "brain chips activate, clones lobotomized and turned into mindless jedi-killers", because it invokes themes of honor, duty, loyalty to friends and institutions, and free will, rather than simple subversion and compulsion. Order 66 is my favorite storyline in Star Wars, and I hope TCW sticks the landing.

[Lord Revan]

The thing is that clones don't turn into mindless Jedi killers (their minds are very much intact), they just get a massive urge to kill any jedi they encounter (which can be resisted if the clone in question has enough willpower and/or order to resist, the 501st ignored Anakin/Vader even though we know he did fit the hitlist).

In a sense it makes it more tragic since the clones know at some level that what they're doing is wrong but cannot stop themselves from doing it. Besides the moment they gave clones the ability to think for themselves (out of universe that is) the original way order 66 went down became impossible. The problem isn't that clones gun down the jedi but rather that they do so without hesitation or doubt.

[FaxModem1]

Well based on the comics if a target is indentified as a jedi and the code phrase is spoken the clones with the chip will go into "must kill that person" mode, so you don't really have to send hit squads after anyone specifically as being near clones and being identified as a jedi (and pretty much everyone in the 501st considered Ahsoka to be a jedi) would be enough.

My point exactly. Nobody needs a hit squad because every Jedi worth his/her salt is lugging a division-sized crack hit squad around, with armor, artillery, air and orbital support. That was why Order 66 worked.

Sigh... it's terrible storytelling like the brain chips that make me miss the old canon the most.
The old canon made explicitly clear that the clones were not brainwashed or duped, but merely following orders, orders they very much did not like but executed anyway, because they were good soldiers, and that the Jedi didn't pick it up because the clones held no malice in their hearts when they gritted their teeth and did their jobs, and that the Senate didn't pick it up because nobody took page 66 (out of 150 pages of bureaucratese) seriously.

I greatly preferred the traditional explanation - it gives Order 66 much more pathos, and makes it all the more tragic for everyone involved. It's a much more compelling story than "brain chips activate, clones lobotomized and turned into mindless jedi-killers", because it invokes themes of honor, duty, loyalty to friends and institutions, and free will, rather than simple subversion and compulsion. Order 66 is my favorite storyline in Star Wars, and I hope TCW sticks the landing.

Makes more sense though. People who you've served with in battle, and who have saved you plenty of times, and who have looked out for you several times, makes it really hard to just gun down like that. At the end of the day, while they are modified, the clones are still humans, and having them just shoot down people who they consider surrogate parents, siblings, and friends is just beyond belief. Having it to where a brain chip does it makes much more sense.

I'd also disagree about pathos. Look at Cal Kestis.



Little padawan going around, chatting with the clones, even getting high fives from them, and then, like a switch flipped, they stop calling him by a nickname, and instead start shooting at him with no reaction whatsoever. It makes the tragedy of the clones being warped by the Emperor even more valid, as they're victims of Palpatine just as much as the Jedi are.

[Gandalf]

Isn't the tragedy of the clones that the shiny heroes of the Republic were really just the space SS all along?

[FaxModem1]

Isn't the tragedy of the clones that the shiny heroes of the Republic were really just the space SS all along?

Nah, they were dumped and forgotten about, and replaced with Stormtroopers:

[Gandalf]

Nah, they were dumped and forgotten about, and replaced with Stormtroopers:

So the Riefenstahl shots of the clone army in AOTC are...?

I get that they wrote themselves into a corner by making the Emperor's genetically designed master race of soldiers into likeable army guys and merch juggernauts in a WoT environment, requiring a crazy retcon, but this is nuts.

[chimericoncogene]

Nah, they were dumped and forgotten about, and replaced with Stormtroopers:

So the Riefenstahl shots of the clone army in AOTC are...?

I get that they wrote themselves into a corner by making the Emperor's genetically designed master race of soldiers into likeable army guys and merch juggernauts in a WoT environment, requiring a crazy retcon, but this is nuts.

The SS was comprised of perfectly normal people with wives and kids and little cottages. Hutu genocidaires had wives, kids, and little farms.

The sad fact about the world is that decent people will do horrible things to each other out of ideology, peer pressure, or deference to authority.

I can totally believe the clones are nice people who will follow orders to shoot friends out of a sense of duty and loyalty to their institution. I'm no soldier, but my guts says that if I were conditioned properly, I'd ask really hard for verification, but I think I'd follow Order 66, and an army of me would totally execute it as a whole. A lot of people have voiced the opinion that nice clones would not kill Jedi, but I have a hard time understanding their point of view because I think I have a good chance of following such orders with appropriate conditioning - and if I might do it, an army of soldiers trained from birth and engineered for loyalty to the state would totally do it too.

[FaxModem1]

Nah, they were dumped and forgotten about, and replaced with Stormtroopers:

So the Riefenstahl shots of the clone army in AOTC are...?

I get that they wrote themselves into a corner by making the Emperor's genetically designed master race of soldiers into likeable army guys and merch juggernauts in a WoT environment, requiring a crazy retcon, but this is nuts.

The SS was comprised of perfectly normal people with wives and kids and little cottages. Hutu genocidaires had wives, kids, and little farms.

The sad fact about the world is that decent people will do horrible things to each other out of ideology, peer pressure, or deference to authority.

I can totally believe the clones are nice people who will follow orders to shoot friends out of a sense of duty and loyalty to their institution. I'm no soldier, but my guts says that if I were conditioned properly, I'd ask really hard for verification, but I think I'd follow Order 66, and an army of me would totally execute it as a whole. A lot of people have voiced the opinion that nice clones would not kill Jedi, but I have a hard time understanding their point of view because I think I have a good chance of following such orders with appropriate conditioning - and if I might do it, an army of soldiers trained from birth and engineered for loyalty to the state would totally do it too.

Basic wartime conditioning, someone you served with, who you KNOW had your back in the worst of conditions, means that you would have their backs too, just out of simple tribal psychology of how you KNOW this person is with you, no matter what. Shooting them would be very hard without something compelling you to do so.

Think of it like this, in Captain America, there's a reason Bucky wasn't the one to pull the trigger on Steve, and instead saved him. According to your logic, Bucky should have instead been the one to pull the trigger after getting verification that his lifetime buddy was deemed an enemy, instead of his doubts and confusion that he faced, and eventual breaking of that conditioning once he was able to put the pieces together.

Same principle here. They're friends who have been through a lot together, and some politician telling them to kill each other isn't going to mean as much as what they've personally been through. Having it be something biological makes much more sense.

Nah, they were dumped and forgotten about, and replaced with Stormtroopers:

So the Riefenstahl shots of the clone army in AOTC are...?

I get that they wrote themselves into a corner by making the Emperor's genetically designed master race of soldiers into likeable army guys and merch juggernauts in a WoT environment, requiring a crazy retcon, but this is nuts.

Foreshadowing of where the Republic is going, and showing the steps that they're now taking.

[chimericoncogene]

Oh my god episode 10 was awesome.
I think we're up to the lightsaber duel in the Chancellor's Office, but I'm not quite sure.
One more for... what comes next.

[Lord Revan]

Oh my god episode 10 was awesome.
I think we're up to the lightsaber duel in the Chancellor's Office, but I'm not quite sure.
One more for... what comes next.

Hard to say as the exact chronology of Episode III isn't crystal clear, however we were told that Obi-Wan is either on route or about to leave to Utapau but isn't there yet, since if he was he wouldn't be able to communicate with Ahsoka as he was leading the battle or dueling with Grevious until Order 66.

Either way we're close to those events and I suspect that last episodes will be during Order 66.