A question thats been on my mind for a while...

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-08-27 11:55pm

Ok, now we were shown the Acclimators taking off at the end of EP2, but where the hell were the Victory Star Destroyers? IIRC, they were present in the Clone Wars. Were they built later on as an "upgrade" to the Acclimator? Both are obviously capable of atmospherical flight so what's the deal?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-28 12:02am

The Victory came out right at the end of the Clone wars, what we saw was the start of them.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-08-28 12:48am

Ahh, so the Acclimator is a predecessor then?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-28 01:08am

Kind of. The Acclamator was actually designed as a transport. The VSD was purely a combat ship.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-08-28 01:07pm

The VSD is a fabrication of the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if GL just goes with the Star Destroyers in EPIII. I think that would be better anyways.

Imperial Federation · Post by **Imperial Federation** » 2002-08-28 01:42pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:The VSD is a fabrication of the EU.

So was the name Coruscant..

I wouldn't be surprised if GL just goes with the Star Destroyers in EPIII. I think that would be better anyways.

Why don't we wait and see, eh?
And why would it be better?
I think it'd be better to show a design lineage, like Acclamator > Victory > Imperator

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-28 01:48pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Kind of. The Acclamator was actually designed as a transport. The VSD was purely a combat ship.

You're actually slightly wrong. It goes, something, like this.

Acclamator: Transport/planetary bombardment.

VSD-I: Planetary Bombardment/Defense.

VSD-II & ISD's: Pure Space Combat.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-08-28 02:31pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:The VSD is a fabrication of the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if GL just goes with the Star Destroyers in EPIII. I think that would be better anyways.

Just as it would be better if GL included a quote into EIII to prove your laughable imperial fleet size estimates?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-08-28 03:44pm

I would love to see a space battle with thousands of warships engaging each other. I think that would prove that large numbers of warships is common in the Star Wars Galaxy. I just don't think it is going to happen...

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-08-28 05:38pm

We wouldn't need to see thousands of capships. It could mention "tens of thousands of capital ships" somewhere, or it could send "And entire sector fleet" of hundreds of ships to a giant battle.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-28 06:50pm

Imperial Federation wrote:
Commander LeoRo wrote:The VSD is a fabrication of the EU.
So was the name Coruscant..

And Ayela Secura. And the double bladed lightsabre. And all the stuff he stuck into the ANH SE (Dax Rendar's ship)

Moron.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-28 07:19pm

SirNitram wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Kind of. The Acclamator was actually designed as a transport. The VSD was purely a combat ship.
You're actually slightly wrong. It goes, something, like this.

Acclamator: Transport/planetary bombardment.

VSD-I: Planetary Bombardment/Defense.

VSD-II & ISD's: Pure Space Combat.

I thought that the VSD-II also maintained the VSD-I's ability to cruise around in the atmosphere. I might be wrong, though. Thanks for correcting me, in any case. You're right, the original VSD was most definitely designed for planetary bombardment.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-08-28 07:24pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Kind of. The Acclamator was actually designed as a transport. The VSD was purely a combat ship.
You're actually slightly wrong. It goes, something, like this.

Acclamator: Transport/planetary bombardment.

VSD-I: Planetary Bombardment/Defense.

VSD-II & ISD's: Pure Space Combat.
I thought that the VSD-II also maintained the VSD-I's ability to cruise around in the atmosphere. I might be wrong, though. Thanks for correcting me, in any case. You're right, the original VSD was most definitely designed for planetary bombardment.

Yes, the VSD II could mantian, the same effective performance as the VSD I in orbit. The ISD could, be in orbit too just not as effective. Anyway, I think they weren't as money troops on the VSD II's , in Rebellion, I might be wrong haven't played since a month ago.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-08-28 07:27pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:I would love to see a space battle with thousands of warships engaging each other. I think that would prove that large numbers of warships is common in the Star Wars Galaxy. I just don't think it is going to happen...

Hmm, strange it is that this post contradicts your Imperial Fleet Estimates, yes?Considering that the Empire had thousands of ISDs then, how many would they would of had at the time of Endor?
Answer: A shitload of 'em.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-08-30 01:31am

At any rate, thanks for the clarification.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-30 02:05am

I'd like to see a few hundred capital ships fighting over a city planet any some one observing the battle to say this. "That’s nearly a full planetary patrol force, why would the Empire send that many ships to such an insignificant world as this?"

The world is then has its surface melted to a depth of 5 miles after a 5 minute bombardment which throws pieces of skyscrapers into orbit.

I'd also like to see a lot more Jedi on Jedi light saber fighting and Stormtroopers assaulting a shielded bunker/fortress complex with ground based turbolasers and giant repulser lift tanks.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-30 02:09am

Damn, the above was meant for the what do you want to see in Ep 3 thread

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-08-30 03:59pm

I thought that the Vics were developed later in the clone war. The GR was just organizing their millitary, so I always figured that the Acclamator was supposed to be like a USN LHA. They were used to bring troops into a combat zone. Probably durring the war, some Acclamators were attacked and destroyed by dedicated warships. So in response the GR introduced the Vic to escort the transports to the target planets and to serve as orbital fire support as well as the ship of the line for the fleet. When palpy took over, the Imperial navy combined the two's atributes and introduced the Impstar. The ISD is the awesome result of the Acclamator and the Victory, combining both troopship capability while still being a so called ship of the line.
This is obviously just conjecture, but that is what I imagine happened.
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Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-02 06:40pm

The ISD appears to be a multipurpose vessel. Your conjecture does seem to be accurate, except I'm not too enthusiastic about the VSD's. For one thing, the VSD's in the RPG materials are given a lot of missile launches, however, we never see capships in Star Wars use missiles.
The Acclamators may have missiles in the official literature though, but I'm not sure.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-09-02 06:50pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:The ISD appears to be a multipurpose vessel. Your conjecture does seem to be accurate, except I'm not too enthusiastic about the VSD's. For one thing, the VSD's in the RPG materials are given a lot of missile launches, however, we never see capships in Star Wars use missiles.
The Acclamators may have missiles in the official literature though, but I'm not sure.

Yes, Capital Ships use missles, the second ISD Chimaera carries proton torpedoes and uses em I think, I haven't read the Novels in awhile though.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-09-02 08:17pm

in the NJO novel "Dark Tide I: Onslaught", a vic star hypers in and takes out a Vong capital ship with concussion missiles and turbolasers. They used every conc launcher they had on that thing.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-02 08:23pm

Vertigo1 wrote:in the NJO novel "Dark Tide I: Onslaught", a vic star hypers in and takes out a Vong capital ship with concussion missiles and turbolasers. They used every conc launcher they had on that thing.

Victory Star Destroyers have 80 launch tubes, and carry about 10 warheads apiece.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-09-02 08:29pm

Yeah! They just never have a chance to use them in the movies. They are hardly ever at range, and when they are they either want to capture or bottle up the opposition.
Those pesky rebels just won't line up right for my missiles, shit.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-03 12:32am

Besides, missiles are only useful at point blank. At any other range, the LTLs will have ample time to track and blast the missiles into oblivion (ref. VOTF).

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-09-03 11:44am

I would think missiles would be for long range uses, not close range. I could be wrong, but just cause the LTL's could be a defence against, does not mean they (missiles) are not long range weapons. If you had to come close to use them, it would be just as easy to shoot your target with a blaster.