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A lot of criticism has been heaped on the little guy for what many regard as a selfish, undemocratic decision that sacrificed the lives of hundreds of clonetroopers solely for a few dozen Jedi Knights.

I think this is a little bit unfair to Yoda; surely, Yoda also wanted to capture Count Dooku in the attack, so it's not like the action was completely self-centered. As Obi-Wan said, capturing Dooku would have ended the Clone War right there on Geonosis, and saved millions of lives. What do you think?

Durran Korr wrote:A lot of criticism has been heaped on the little guy for what many regard as a selfish, undemocratic decision that sacrificed the lives of hundreds of clonetroopers solely for a few dozen Jedi Knights.

I think this is a little bit unfair to Yoda; surely, Yoda also wanted to capture Count Dooku in the attack, so it's not like the action was completely self-centered. As Obi-Wan said, capturing Dooku would have ended the Clone War right there on Geonosis, and saved millions of lives. What do you think?

His decision to open fire on the departing TF Battleships proved he wasn't just there to rescue the Jedi.. he knew the war was coming, and probably wanted to stop the Seperatist leaders.

Then, of course, there's the fact that the Jedi are proud, and the clones may not be viewed as highly as individuals...

SirNitram wrote:

Durran Korr wrote:A lot of criticism has been heaped on the little guy for what many regard as a selfish, undemocratic decision that sacrificed the lives of hundreds of clonetroopers solely for a few dozen Jedi Knights.

I think this is a little bit unfair to Yoda; surely, Yoda also wanted to capture Count Dooku in the attack, so it's not like the action was completely self-centered. As Obi-Wan said, capturing Dooku would have ended the Clone War right there on Geonosis, and saved millions of lives. What do you think?

His decision to open fire on the departing TF Battleships proved he wasn't just there to rescue the Jedi.. he knew the war was coming, and probably wanted to stop the Seperatist leaders.

I agree... i think that more than anything i wanted to stop Count dooku. If he only wanted to save the jedi he would of simply took off the planet.

Sorry i meant to say "he" instead of "i"

Given that the bulk of the forces immediately attacked the Trade Federation and Tech Union ships on the ground. It's pretty clear he was aiming to crush the driod Army when it was unprepared and at it's weakest.

If all he wanted was the Jedi, one shipload of gunship could have grabbed them and been back in orbit with minimal casualties while the others lay down covering fire.

I wasn't criticizing Yoda for his decision, I was merely commenting that it was undemocratic. It was a tragic decision, and obviously a difficult one to make. The only way for him to save all of the Jedi was to sacrifice the clones. If he let the Jedi die, he also killed his friends and the best of the Jedi. He was presented with no good options, and in the end he made his choice. I think it is interesting that it was undemocratic, but it was also clearly not a choice that we can second guess. I don't think it's right for us to be second-guessing someone who had no good options, and I don't even think Yoda's decision was wrong, just interesting.

Fewer jedi would have died if they had just nuked the site from orbit instead of attempting a rescue.

first with the nuking, since the Jedi only fight if they are attacked and dont kill inocents, nuking the planet would have killed innocent Genosians, and tehn we'll have Darth Yoda. Maby Yoda had a plan to use the clones to fight since maby he knew what Palpatine had planed and he figured that whatever Clones die the better, just to be on the safe side. Plus now that the Republic "knows" of the droid factories and what type and how much of an army the Seperists have the Republic can destroy the factories.

Raxmei wrote:Fewer jedi would have died if they had just nuked the site from orbit instead of attempting a rescue.

Evidence? Remember that the Clone troopers were the ones who died. If they had not gone in, then the Jedi in the Arena would have been killed in short order. Jedi were saved by the rescue. That was the point. Even if they had been able to selectively destroy all of the droids outside of the Arena without killing the Jedi, the ones inside the Arena would have finished the Jedi off.

Master of Ossus wrote:I was merely commenting that it was undemocratic.

That happens in war more often than you think. For example, the U.S. Air Force will send its special forces units to retreive downed pilots behind enemy lines. This is pretty undemocratic, sending a flight of pararescuemen to rescue one pilot. But this is done anyway because the cold fact of the matter is that one pilot (who is an officer) is worth more in training time and cost than several pararescuemen (who are enlisted).

The same can be said for the AOTC situation. Several Jedi are worth much more the clonetroopers.

I meant not sending in jedi in the first place. Then they'd only have lost two and a senator. Of course they'd never consider doing that. Politics, and all.

USAF Ace wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:I was merely commenting that it was undemocratic.

That happens in war more often than you think. For example, the U.S. Air Force will send its special forces units to retreive downed pilots behind enemy lines. This is pretty undemocratic, sending a flight of pararescuemen to rescue one pilot. But this is done anyway because the cold fact of the matter is that one pilot (who is an officer) is worth more in training time and cost than several pararescuemen (who are enlisted).

The same can be said for the AOTC situation. Several Jedi are worth much more the clonetroopers.

I know all of that. I think it was the right decision, militarily, as the Jedi are probably more valuable than the clones, and I also realize that special units are sent into harm's way all the time to rescue less people, but that does not mean that Yoda's decision was democratic.

Raxmei wrote:I meant not sending in jedi in the first place. Then they'd only have lost two and a senator. Of course they'd never consider doing that. Politics, and all.

I see. That's a valid point. I think they were still under the assumption that the Seperatists would fold, if placed under pressure, and that Dooku wouldn't kill anyone ("He's a political idealist. Not a murderer."). This is supported circumstantially by the high-visibility of their entrance into the Arena.

Yoda decision to used the Clone troopers was the correct one..

First the Troopers were created as a weapon, they may not have been war droids but they were raised, programed and engineered to be soldiers. One should look at the Sci Fi movie "soldier" and realize that belong the battlefield the Clone troopers would have no normal life to return to.. And one could have forseen that the surviving troopers ( after the clone war was over) would present a problem.. what do you do with an army of clones?

Second there was a good chance that if they could have killed or captured Dooku and the other leaders of the seperatist moment that it would have spared the republic a civil war..

And third Jedi are not soldiers, plus their number was not great enough to handle the Droid army that was being buildt..

Rescueing the surviving Jedi was a plus... No matter what happen the jedi would be needed to direct and lead the republic in the upcoming war and the peace that follow.

Or, the OR wanted to show off their new toys, it could be arrogance. To be more serious, the clonetroopers also could have been sent to cripple Seperatist forces.