Support for the Ewok Holocaust from WEG

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-21 02:44pm

In Galaxy Guide 2: Yavin and Bespin, there's a schematic of an
"Imperial Salvage Space Station", that was deployed by an ISD to the Yavin system
to specifically catalog and retrieve the DS I wreckage...

Man, I'd hate to think of the wreckage the DS II left behind when it blew
up over Endor...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-21 03:21pm

As much as it might upset Saxton--its highly unlikely that the Ewok holocaust actually happened.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-21 03:24pm

It's what should have happened, but obviously it didn't. So there must have been something to prevent it.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-21 03:26pm

There's a myraid of weird excuses in Official.

Among them:

Rebel fleet blowing up debris/deploying shield systems.

"Endor's Gate"--a near by blackhole that generates random spatial distortions opened up a wormhole triggered by the explosion of the Death Star II's reactor core--this is how Darth Vader's glove ended up on Calamari. Also sucked up debris.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-21 03:30pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:There's a myraid of weird excuses in Official.

Among them:

Rebel fleet blowing up debris/deploying shield systems.

"Endor's Gate"--a near by blackhole that generates random spatial distortions opened up a wormhole triggered by the explosion of the Death Star II's reactor core--this is how Darth Vader's glove ended up on Calamari. Also sucked up debris.

The first one seems plausible; I think Saxton was too quick to dismiss the capability of the Rebels to prevent the Holocaust in his essay. The second one seems a bit bizarre, but I guess if it's official, so be it.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-21 03:32pm

The best one is a combination of the Rebels destroying large debris and deploying orbital defense screens, and the Rebel team on the surface reactivating the planetary shield (some have theorized there was a shield protecting Endor itself) or the tractor-repulsor beam Saxton said would be neccessary to hold the large Death Star in such a low geosynchronous orbit. They could've reactivated it and used it to "push" the debris away and into a higher orbit.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-21 03:34pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:There's a myraid of weird excuses in Official.

Among them:

Rebel fleet blowing up debris/deploying shield systems.

"Endor's Gate"--a near by blackhole that generates random spatial distortions opened up a wormhole triggered by the explosion of the Death Star II's reactor core--this is how Darth Vader's glove ended up on Calamari. Also sucked up debris.
The first one seems plausible; I think Saxton was too quick to dismiss the capability of the Rebels to prevent the Holocaust in his essay. The second one seems a bit bizarre, but I guess if it's official, so be it.

Simple explanation the debris burned up entering the atmosphere.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-21 03:38pm

Montcalm wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:There's a myraid of weird excuses in Official.

Among them:

Rebel fleet blowing up debris/deploying shield systems.

"Endor's Gate"--a near by blackhole that generates random spatial distortions opened up a wormhole triggered by the explosion of the Death Star II's reactor core--this is how Darth Vader's glove ended up on Calamari. Also sucked up debris.
The first one seems plausible; I think Saxton was too quick to dismiss the capability of the Rebels to prevent the Holocaust in his essay. The second one seems a bit bizarre, but I guess if it's official, so be it.
Simple explanation the debris burned up entering the atmosphere.

A lot of them would, but there would be plenty of chunks too large to fully burn up.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-21 03:39pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Rebel team on the surface reactivating the planetary shield

Didn't you notice the massive kaboom caused by the Deflector dish
going up?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-21 03:47pm

Ahem. Shep:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:(some have theorized there was a shield protecting Endor itself)

Montcalm wrote:Simple explanation the debris burned up entering the atmosphere.

Its not that simple: read Saxton's essay for explanation why.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-21 03:49pm

It does seem reasonable to speculate that the Imperials may have wanted a planetary shield protecting Endor, but it there any hard evidence to suggest that this is so?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-21 03:52pm

What's wrong with the Rebels simply opening fire on the large bits of debris?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-21 03:53pm

Didn't the Tyderium need the shields opened? And why couldn't the Mon Calamari Star Cruisers simply situate themselves in an angle that allowed them to shoot at the shield generator? Or offer a small contingent of Marines to try and aide the ground team while they were fighting for their lives.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-04-21 04:35pm

Montcalm wrote:
Simple explanation the debris burned up entering the atmosphere.

And trillions of tons of hot debris would magically become safe after it's burned up?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-04-21 05:06pm

HemlockGrey wrote:What's wrong with the Rebels simply opening fire on the large bits of debris?

Because the small bits would still cause devestation?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-21 05:39pm

HemlockGrey wrote:What's wrong with the Rebels simply opening fire on the large bits of debris?

They were. In RoTJ we see Rebel ships zipping across the atmosphere, presumbably blasting apart large chunks. The kind of matter that made up the Death Star II would still definitely be unsafe, even in small bits, however. That's why there had to be some sort of shield to deal with the problem.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-04-21 07:09pm

Durran Korr wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:What's wrong with the Rebels simply opening fire on the large bits of debris?
They were. In RoTJ we see Rebel ships zipping across the atmosphere, presumbably blasting apart large chunks. The kind of matter that made up the Death Star II would still definitely be unsafe, even in small bits, however. That's why there had to be some sort of shield to deal with the problem.

I thought they were ships deployed to shoot off the fireworks.........

Cyaround,
Jason

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-04-21 09:53pm

Those better than me has noted that while it is logical that the Holocaust did happen,the evidence for it from the EU Saxton pulled is forced.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2003-04-22 10:19am

This is probably the only point of contention that Curtis and I ever had with one another.

I don't think it happened either. The celebration at the end of ROTJ simply doesn't jibe with Endor's supposed impending doom...

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-04-22 10:28am

What I could see happening is an ISD, or a group of ships was dispatched to take care of the remnants of DSII. I imagine there would have been enough wreckage floating around to get the imperials thinking that maybe the rebels could get their hands on something nice if they just left it hanging in space. While the ISD or whoever else got the mission was doing their job, I imagine the commander would have been more than willing to use ewok villages for turbolaser battery firing practice. No real concerted effort to eradicate the ewok scum, just guys taking pot shots with a star destroyer or something similar.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-22 01:03pm

IIRC the Rebel Fleet did say at Endor for quite a while. This is confirmed by the opening chapter of Truce At Bakura. Surely the reason for that long stay over a moon with no significant advantage was because the Rebels are do-gooders and wanted to make the remains of the DS II safe?

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-04-22 06:49pm

The best one is a combination of the Rebels destroying large debris and deploying orbital defense screens

This, in my opinion, was implied from the movie itself... what other possible reason would the Rebel fleet have to movie between the Death Star and the moon? There was none.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-04-22 07:14pm

The problem is a simple matter of capability. There is a LOT of debris, and vaporizing or fragmenting it merely turns it into smaller pieces - better perhaps than one big piece, but it still goes into the atmosphere. There is no evidence I can think of that would say the Rebel Forces brought in a shitload of equipment to save Endor. Any attempt would therefore be a hastily devised improvisation, and they have a LOT of area to cover.

Trying to tow the pieces away goes under Saxton's scenarios.

It would seem that the general consensus is that it is perfectly LOGICAL that Endor would be eradicated, but somehow everyone wants to believe that some miracle happened to save it.

If there is official evidence of the mechanism they used to save Endor, then that's fine (for instance, if some novel said they somehow slammed down and got a planetary shield working within five minutes.) Just merely implying it was intact may not work under the canon > official rule - the canon merely rolls over it.

A long time ago, I actually got involved in a thread that tried to use the on-Endor celebration to somehow disprove the Holocaust. Personally, I just don't think subjective human actions in of themself are bigger than observable physical realities.

If we applied that kind of logic to other scenarios, we might think that it is perfectly LOGICAL (based on canon observations of course) that Executors are 11 miles long (or maybe more) but somehow we all want to believe that some miracle made all the other ones 5 miles long.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-22 07:21pm

Really the celebrations don't seem like they would've been possible if a planetary shield hadn't been activated to incinerate and hold off debris.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-04-22 11:41pm

There might also have been a theater shield separate from the DS2 shield generator that protected the immediate area, and the reason the NR was always so underequipped was because of the funds going to rebuild Endor's ecosystem.

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Support for the Ewok Holocaust from WEG

Support for the Ewok Holocaust from WEG

No doubt they would try...