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WotC says in the Rebellion Era Sourcebook that the Death Star
would not have been possible without the empire's standardization
of starship components - making something of that scale possible.

WEG says in the Death Star Technical Companion that 20 Sector Group's
worth of materiel was diverted to build the DS I, and in the Imperial Sourcebook
that Thousands of sector groups are at the Emperor's command.

Which fits the scope of SW more?

wouldnt it have been standardized long before then?

WEG, despite is many other scale problems with ship sizes and above all manpower, especially that of ground troops

MKSheppard wrote:*snip*

WEG.

But that still doesn't change the fact Assault Troopers exist.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: But that still doesn't change the fact Assault Troopers exist.

The same people who give the Stormtroopers the class of "thug" shouldn't
be trusted to wipe their own ass without help.

Wow, I want to learn to debate with name game tactics too. Will you teach me?

MKSheppard wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote: But that still doesn't change the fact Assault Troopers exist.

The same people who give the Stormtroopers the class of "thug" shouldn't
be trusted to wipe their own ass without help.

But stormtroopers basically are thugs. Granted, they're very well trained, experienced, and disciplined to do what they do, but that doesn't change the fact that basically they're there to break kneecaps for the Emperor.

MKSheppard wrote:WotC says in the Rebellion Era Sourcebook that the Death Star
would not have been possible without the empire's standardization
of starship components - making something of that scale possible.

WEG says in the Death Star Technical Companion that 20 Sector Group's
worth of materiel was diverted to build the DS I, and in the Imperial Sourcebook
that Thousands of sector groups are at the Emperor's command.

Which fits the scope of SW more?

I don't see how these two are mutually exclusive. 20 sector groups' worth of material was diverted, and all this material was standarized.

Or you just mean the part with the 20 sectors vs. the 1000 sectors? If so, why bring up WoTC at all? Besides, whose Imperial Sourcebook is that? WEG or WoTC?

Shep is trying to flame bait me because I smacked down clearly erroneous shit in More proof the Empire is seriously undermilitarized... and Stormtroopers vs THESE Federation troops


That's why he brought up WEG vs. WoTC.

MKSheppard wrote:WotC says in the Rebellion Era Sourcebook that the Death Star
would not have been possible without the empire's standardization
of starship components - making something of that scale possible.

WEG says in the Death Star Technical Companion that 20 Sector Group's
worth of materiel was diverted to build the DS I, and in the Imperial Sourcebook
that Thousands of sector groups are at the Emperor's command.

Which fits the scope of SW more?

I don't see where the two contradicts.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: That's why he brought up WEG vs. WoTC.

I'm smacking down your erroneous shit based on WotC crap. You assume
stormtroopers are garrison troops because we see them on Tatooine.

Maybe they were instead deployed directly from Vader's Star Destroyer
to hunt for the Droids?

ERRRRRR WotC?????????

I voted for West End Games, but mostly becasue I don't like Wizard of the Coast's D20 rules for pen and paper RPGs. And their sourcebooks don't have as much effort or quality put into them.

"What's a Class?"

MKSheppard wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote: That's why he brought up WEG vs. WoTC.

I'm smacking down your erroneous shit based on WotC crap. You assume
stormtroopers are garrison troops because we see them on Tatooine.

Maybe they were instead deployed directly from Vader's Star Destroyer
to hunt for the Droids?

It's a wonder you don't choke on your own bullshit, Shep.

I said Stormtrooper were an amalgation between the "global policeman" and "urban pacification" roles we see today amongst military forces combined with support roles for Army invasions and shipboarding roles. They're really good Marines/Spec Ops which have a security and shock troop roles with some other rather jack-of-all-trades duties.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:You miss my point: the Clonetroopers simply do not fill the same niche that Stormtroopers did.

Ordinary stormtroopers are well-trained "global policeman" and "urban pacification" type troops. They also fill shipboarding and occupation/garrison roles. They're high-quality jack-of-all-trades troops most suited for small-scale combat.

MKSheppard wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote: Assault Troopers (ref: Rebellion Era Sourcebook)

So you're using WotC bullshit?

From that to--

MKSheppard wrote:I'm smacking down your erroneous shit based on WotC crap. You assume stormtroopers are garrison troops because we see them on Tatooine.

First of all, your post isn't even lucid--you claim my statements are based on WoTC and then you say I've leapt in logic from canon--which is it Shep?

And this BS is quite the backpeddle.

Your retort was solely refering to my citing of the existance of Assault Troopers--which likely do what Clonetroopers did but are a division of Stormtrooper.

In fact, you cooked up this thread to flame bait me--and no one even sees how your cited bits at the top are in contradiction.

And you still cannot comprehend that you haven't even shaken the likelihood of Assault Troopers existing.

I find it very likely that a good deal of the imperial technology for stardestroyers would be standardized, as they all mainly come from Kuat Drive Yars and Rendili Star Drive. However, the Deathstar is not a standard military vessel. Generally it is cheaper to just make more of smaller already existing components but there is always gets a point where some pieces of equipment just aren't practical without being of a suffucient size. Logistically, it is possible to argue that the Emperor standardized an additional set of equipment and components that in the past had no need to have been standardized.

As for WEG, I agree wiht a previous post. I don't see why this would necessarily conflict with the other.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: It's a wonder you don't choke on your own bullshit, Shep.

I could say the same about you. You're a real piece of work, man.

When I put forth WEG analysis, you disprove it right away off the bat,
talking about "WEG Garbage", and then without blinking an eye, you
turn around and use WotC work to "prove" that Stormtroopers are
garrison troops, instead of crack assault troops.

Did it ever fucking occur to your small pathetic brain that the reason we
see Stormtroopers almost exclusively in the Original Trilogy, is because
whenever we saw the Imperial Forces in ANH, ESB, and ROTJ, it was
ALWAYS Darth Vader's personal ISD or personal squadron, or a legion
of the Emperor's finest troops?

And furthermore, EVERY FUCKING SOURCE on the SW universe
clearly states that Stormtroopers are crack troops, not garrison troops.

.........

Aww forget it....this shit isn't worth it against a fucker who thinks
that turbolasers can't flak burst, even though we see it repeatedly
in ESB.

MKSheppard wrote:When I put forth WEG analysis, you disprove it right away off the bat, talking about "WEG Garbage", and then without blinking an eye, you turn around and use WotC work to "prove" that Stormtroopers are garrison troops, instead of crack assault troops.

You fucking lost that debate, you little pussy, and I used all sorts of official and canon evidence to show that the idea that the Rebel force was a tenth or so of the Empire's was total bullshit.

The novelisation says all of the Alliance was at Endor--this overrides WEG. I did not simply say "Everything WEG says is bullshit, thus, it isn't true." I presented canon evidence which overrules WEG.

You simply invaded the Stormtrooper vs. Hazard Team thread SOLELY to flamebait me because I said WoTC says there are such things as Assault Troopers. Furthermore, this was just part of my point.

I cited movie evidence, and evidence from other official sources. You nitpicked the mere mention of Assault Troopers and you failed to present a source contradicting their existance from higher official or canon sources.

You failed to produce a lucid argument, and failed to do anything beyond flamebait because I proved something out of your sourcebooks was horseshit. I said WEG has a history of making shit up without researching prior sources--are you going to claim this isn't true? A lot of their stuff is bullshit.

You failed to prove that any of WoTC's shit has any influence on the existance of Assault Troopers, you brought up total irrelevencies about the quality of gaming between WoTC and WEG.

MKSheppard wrote:Did it ever fucking occur to your small pathetic brain that the reason we see Stormtroopers almost exclusively in the Original Trilogy, is because whenever we saw the Imperial Forces in ANH, ESB, and ROTJ, it was ALWAYS Darth Vader's personal ISD or personal squadron, or a legion of the Emperor's finest troops?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:You miss my point: the Clonetroopers simply do not fill the same niche that Stormtroopers did.

Ordinary stormtroopers are well-trained "global policeman" and "urban pacification" type troops. They also fill shipboarding and occupation/garrison roles. They're high-quality jack-of-all-trades troops most suited for small-scale combat.

Stormtroopers on Tattooine? No shock-troop duty. Rather, they were doing the search for contraband type activities. Much like forces in Iraq or Afghanistan are doing in the countryside.

Stormtroopers on the Death Star--seemingly the vast majority of the security. Nope, not shock troops.

Snowtroopers at Hoth--Shock troops.

Stormtroopers at Bespin--garrison/security troops for Vader's trap. Not shock troop duty.

Stormtroopers at Endor--elaborate trap for Rebel commando squad. Scout Troopers are mere security and patrol forces. Not shock troops.

Only once in the Trilogy do Stormtroopers appear to have the same role as Clonetroopers. And that was a special-force assault unit of the Stormtroopers. Clearly their primary role in the canon movies was not crack shock troop duty.

MKSheppard wrote:And furthermore, EVERY FUCKING SOURCE on the SW universe clearly states that Stormtroopers are crack troops, not garrison troops.

Shep can't figure out that the Stormies on the Death Star were simply the place's security, that the forces at Bespin appeared to be a garrison or occupying force, or that at Endor, the Scout Troopers that were not part of the Emperor's legion were simply patrol forces. If all stormtroopers were crack assault troops--scouts would be used for intel and recon ahead of the heavy troops. But they're stationed at the Shield just as part of security and defense.

MKSheppard wrote:Aww forget it....this shit isn't worth it against a fucker who thinks that turbolasers can't flak burst, even though we see it repeatedlyin ESB.

Not really. ICS2 explains volumetric shields break up and decay energy beams. That's really ad hominem and red herring put together. Congrats, Shep.

But that's not what this is about.

This is the ideal demonstration that you are so overly defensive and have such poor social skills with other people that everything turns into a vendetta with you.

I have no problem with you personally Shep.

But in the thread where you cited WEG, you were simply wrong, and that was all that there was about it. You interjected in another thread, in an hijack and flame bait, to post a totally irrelevent hasty generalization of WoTC and not even prove anything.

You created this thread solely as a flamebait to try and make some validation of your preference for WEG--which I never attacked.

Quite simply: WEG was wrong about the Alliance's scale. Period. I debunked it with evidence from throughout canon and official, and added as a bit that WEG was often full of shit, and I was right in this case. You nitpicked that and then decided that any use of WoTC was hypocrisy COMPLETELY NEGLECTING the fact I used CANON and OFFICIAL evidence to PROVE WEG was spewing bullshit.

What part of "it does not matter if WoTC has posted BS if nothing contradicts something entirely different" is hard to understand? I proved your WEG was, as I said, bullshit.

Grow up Shep. You're a sore loser starting a pitiful vendetta that does not even make sense. It isn't as if people can't tell what you're doing. Hell--half the posters in this thread couldn't see how your WEG/WoTC quotes contradicted each other in any way.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: You simply invaded the Stormtrooper vs. Hazard Team thread SOLELY to flamebait me because I said WoTC says there are such things as Assault Troopers. Furthermore, this was just part of my point.

Any fucking evidence as to what they do? What's their fucking mission?
What do they wear? What equipment do they carry? until I see more,
I'm not even bothering to consider them official, just a WOTC brainfart.

WOTC just slapped them into the sourcebook for no reason, no justification. Hell, WEG actually made an effort to justify the
various stormtrooper types such as seatroopers, spacetroopers,
etc by providing them with a background history, and a description
of their equipment.

Not so with these mythical "Assault troopers" that WOTC claims exists.

I said WEG has a history of making shit up without researching prior sources--are you going to claim this isn't true? A lot of their stuff is bullshit.

WOTC is even worse. They took the deckplans WEG commissioned for
a Nebulon B frigate and tried to pass it off as "typical starship deck plans"
in "Starships of the Galaxy".

Fucking idiots, a Nebulon B is not a "typical" starship, it is a very
unique starship, due to it's very narrow profile. That would be
like fucking claiming that the control room on a SSN is a typical
naval CIC.

You failed to prove that any of WoTC's shit has any influence on the existance of Assault Troopers

Where have we seen them other than WOTC? Oh yeah, they're like
that bullshit 8km executor, never seen anywhere outside WEG.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: Stormtroopers on Tattooine? No shock-troop duty. Rather, they were doing the search for contraband type activities. Much like forces in Iraq or Afghanistan are doing in the countryside.

They were specifically deployed to Tatooine to look for
the droids, much as US Special forces were deployed to
look for SCUDs during Gulf War I. In case you didn't watch
ANH, I'll recap it for you.

We don't see Stormtroopers on Tatooine until they arrive
to look for the Droids. They appear at the escape pods,
then follow the trail of the droids, blasting the Jawas to
bits, and then wasting the Lars.

Certainly not indicative of garrison troops, who have
to deal with the locals the rest of the time, and avoid
pissing them off.

Stormtroopers on the Death Star--seemingly the vast majority of the security. Nope, not shock troops

Gee, maybe it's because the Death Star was to be the
Emperor's new terror weapon? Capable of destroying
entire planets in a single shot, yadda yadda yadda.

Why the fuck do you think Palpie had Vader assigned to the
Death Star for most of ANH? To give Tarkin handjobs with
the Force?

Fuck no, Vader and the Stormtroopers both reported directly
to Palpatine, and to no one else. The perfect control on
an ambitious Grand Moff, to keep him from seizing control
of the Battlestation and becoming Warlord Tarkin.

Stormtroopers at Bespin--garrison/security troops for Vader's trap. Not shock troop duty.

Garrison my ass, they seized Bespin the moment Vader gave the order.

Stormtroopers at Endor--elaborate trap for Rebel commando squad. Scout Troopers are mere security and patrol forces. Not shock troops.

Fucking fool, were you asleep when the Emperor was giving his speech
about an "entire legion of my best troops" being on Endor, and when the
Ewoks showed Han the backdoor to the shield generator, allowing
them to bypass the main body of Stormtroopers? For fucks' sake, you
don't deploy AT-ATs for mere patrol duty, or did you miss the scene
where the AT-AT is lumbering up to the platform with Skywalker inside?

Only once in the Trilogy do Stormtroopers appear to have the same role as Clonetroopers. And that was a special-force assault unit of the Stormtroopers. Clearly their primary role in the canon movies was not crack shock troop duty.

And we used Special Forces in 1991 to hunt scuds instead of doing the
jobs they had trained for, and in 2001 to do urban pacification and
garrison duty in Afghanistan By your standards, US Special Forces
should be classed as garrison troops, rather than special shock troops



You forget that in every instance, they were used for tasks that required
a politically reliable arm of the military. Are you going to send the fucking
Imperial Army to look for the stolen plans for your super l33t battlestation
of Doom? No, you're going to use the brainwashed people who would
rather die for you than betray you.

Grow up Shep. You're a sore loser starting a pitiful vendetta that does not even make sense.

Hahahah, thanks for the fucking laugh. You're the one with crackpot points
of view. You have this goddamn vendetta against Tim Zahn, and anyone
who suggests that the Star Wars galaxy isn't all-powerful and all-explored.

You do amazing leaps of logic that presuppose that the Star Wars galaxy
has had class 0.5 hyperdrives for 25,000 years, and that not one shred
of information has not been lost in the violent upheavals such as the
Great Hyperspace War and the Sith War.

Both systems have problems, but Wotc has put more effort into earning my undying contempt.
They allow no more effort or facilities to be put into building an Executor(even an 8 km one) than an Imperator. Now is there some magical unstated limit where SW shipyard facilities explode if too many of them get too close to each other? By Wotc standards for starship construction, the DS1 would have taken decdes if not centuries to complete.
They act like the X-wing computer games provide accurate representations of fighter firepower(actually they make those games look conservative, except for being able to shoot shield generators through the shields they are generating)
They seem to think the a crime lord/merchant prince/ anyone with signifigant resource base can only muster a few thousand credits worth of cash.

MKSheppard wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote: You simply invaded the Stormtrooper vs. Hazard Team thread SOLELY to flamebait me because I said WoTC says there are such things as Assault Troopers. Furthermore, this was just part of my point.

Any fucking evidence as to what they do? What's their fucking mission?
What do they wear? What equipment do they carry? until I see more,
I'm not even bothering to consider them official, just a WOTC brainfart.

Than you do not understand SW canon policy. Its fucking explicit moron.

Even so, the Sourcebook claims they are equipped with heavy battle armor, heavy blaster rifles, and explosive charges in conjunction with their grenades.

They are much more trained than Stormies.

MKSheppard wrote:WOTC just slapped them into the sourcebook for no reason, no justification. Hell, WEG actually made an effort to justify the various stormtrooper types such as seatroopers, spacetroopers,
etc by providing them with a background history, and a description
of their equipment.

Shep you still don't get the point. WEG's claims about the Rebel Alliance are bullshit because canon overrides that point.

Everything WoTC publishes is not Infinities and part of continuity unless it somehow undermines canon or movie-based official sources.

MKSheppard wrote:[Not so with these mythical "Assault troopers" that WOTC claims exists.

Prove they're mythical.

MKSheppard wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I said WEG has a history of making shit up without researching prior sources--are you going to claim this isn't true? A lot of their stuff is bullshit.

WOTC is even worse. They took the deckplans WEG commissioned for
a Nebulon B frigate and tried to pass it off as "typical starship deck plans"
in "Starships of the Galaxy".

Irrelevent dodge.

I asked whether WEG has made BS, and you responded with an attack on WoTC, which has nothing to do with my question, and NOTHING to do with Assault Troopers.

Can you argue the point?

MKSheppard wrote:Fucking idiots, a Nebulon B is not a "typical" starship, it is a very unique starship, due to it's very narrow profile. That would be like fucking claiming that the control room on a SSN is a typical
naval CIC.

Hell, the Nebulon-B's layout may be based on large-scale civilian cruisers by KDY, or perhaps the original Nebulon-B was a refitted civilian cruiser. Even if it is bullshit--it does not fucking matter.

What does this have diddly shit to do with Assault Troopers?

MKSheppard wrote:Where have we seen them other than WOTC? Oh yeah, they're like that bullshit 8km executor, never seen anywhere outside WEG.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:It's a wonder you don't choke on your own bullshit, Shep.

You like proving me right, eh?

First of all, the 8 km WEG Executor is wrong because canon disproves it. That's the only reason its wrong. Higher value sources directly contradict it. What higher value sources directly contradict the existance of Assault Troopers? You still cannot produce a shred of proof, instead you jump around making irrelevent attacks and throwing feces like a disturbed monkey.

The WEG Executor was proliferated EVERYWHERE. Throughout Bantam's novel run, throughout the games, and in the EGVV. It has even left its legacy in the stupid-as-shit revision of 12.8 km, an exact average of 8 and 17.6. Even the engine-quantity errors were proliferated.

MKSheppard wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Stormtroopers on Tattooine? No shock-troop duty. Rather, they were doing the search for contraband type activities. Much like forces in Iraq or Afghanistan are doing in the countryside.

They were specifically deployed to Tatooine to look for the droids, much as US Special forces were deployed to look for SCUDs during Gulf War I. In case you didn't watch ANH, I'll recap it for you.

We don't see Stormtroopers on Tatooine until they arrive to look for the Droids. They appear at the escape pods, then follow the trail of the droids, blasting the Jawas to bits, and then wasting the Lars.

Certainly not indicative of garrison troops, who have to deal with the locals the rest of the time, and avoid pissing them off.

I said, and I quote, they're "high-quality jack-of-all-trades troops." They're clearly not just shock troops--why is this difficult to understand. Enough of your strawmen.

MKSheppard wrote:Gee, maybe it's because the Death Star was to be the Emperor's new terror weapon? Capable of destroying entire planets in a single shot, yadda yadda yadda.

Why the fuck do you think Palpie had Vader assigned to the Death Star for most of ANH? To give Tarkin handjobs with the Force?

Fuck no, Vader and the Stormtroopers both reported directly to Palpatine, and to no one else. The perfect control on an ambitious Grand Moff, to keep him from seizing control of the Battlestation and becoming Warlord Tarkin.

That's all good and dandy--but based on ANH alone, we know Stormtroopers are not simply shock troops, and they play a security role on the Death Star. Again, we see them performing search duties, security and loyalty ensuring duties, etc, etc.

Like I said, "high-quality jack-of-all-trades troops."

They do everything from assualt-to-search-to-garrison (of very important installations)-to defend important fortifications.

They're not simply crack shock troops. This is canon fact.

In fact, purely from canon, there's very little evidence for WEG's Imperial Army Troopers being the stock grunts of the Empire--in fact the only real foot soldiers we see are Stormies. Doing all kinds of duties.

MKSheppard wrote:Garrison my ass, they seized Bespin the moment Vader gave the order.

Actually there's zero evidence there was fighting at all. In fact, Calrissian explicitly says he made a deal. So again "shock troop duty" in no way describes Stormtrooper operations on Bespin. They secured Cloud City totally; Threepio was nailed by one of these hiding troopers that helped make sure Lando tried nothing funny with the Cloud City police forces.

MKSheppard wrote:Fucking fool, were you asleep when the Emperor was giving his speech about an "entire legion of my best troops" being on Endor, and when the Ewoks showed Han the backdoor to the shield generator, allowing them to bypass the main body of Stormtroopers? For fucks' sake, you don't deploy AT-ATs for mere patrol duty, or did you miss the scene where the AT-AT is lumbering up to the platform with Skywalker inside?

Stop being a lunatic:

Scout Troopers are part of the Stormtroopers. They were doing average patrol duty for the base and in no way suprised Solo or Skywalker or suggested that your "shock troops" were there.

Furthermore, Skywalker was brought back to an AT-AT, which is really just an uber APC, and did not bother signalling Leia--it did not alarm him. He was still confidant the Alliance would crush Palpatine. He didn't realize a legion of Palpatine's best troops were there until he said so. The AT-AT was no big deal to Skywalker.

Furthermore, this is all more strawmen. Not only do you completely fail to observe the point, you don't understand that you're not disproving my point.

How does "a legion of my best troops" have diddly shit to do with the fact Stormtroopers are not purely shock troops, and there are in fact other Stormtrooper units which are more suited toward heavy ground combat and assault duty?

You're just flinging shit incoherently.

MKSheppard wrote:

And we used Special Forces in 1991 to hunt scuds instead of doing the
jobs they had trained for, and in 2001 to do urban pacification and
garrison duty in Afghanistan By your standards, US Special Forces
should be classed as garrison troops, rather than special shock troops



You forget that in every instance, they were used for tasks that required
a politically reliable arm of the military. Are you going to send the fucking
Imperial Army to look for the stolen plans for your super l33t battlestation
of Doom? No, you're going to use the brainwashed people who would
rather die for you than betray you.

Shep its quite simple. The OT shows Stormtroopers doing high-profile and diverse duties and are not limited to just shock troop duty.

You can whine and make false analogies but the Stormtroopers are very often delegated to doing anything but shock troop duty, and there are units of the Stormtroopers more heavily outfitted for intense combat like the Clonetroopers. Does that mean the "regular" Stormtroopers are incapable of that? No. Does it mean that's not their primary or singular duty? Yes.

MKSheppard wrote:Hahahah, thanks for the fucking laugh. You're the one with crackpot pointsof view. You have this goddamn vendetta against Tim Zahn, and anyone who suggests that the Star Wars galaxy isn't all-powerful and all-explored.

Why don't you prove any of this.

I think Zahn's overrated but I have no vendetta. He's a selfish prick who refused to cite prior WEG and Marvel work which was already SW continuity and also tried to make LFL continuity decisions part of his own job by refusing to work with Tom Vietch. He's an asshole. And the Mittyphiles back up wanking uberness from his books that is explicitly and subtlely debunked in various works since then.

Zahn had no grasp of SW scale or technology. That said, his books are enjoyable and better written than most.

No offense, Shep, but you have more personal conflicts than probably anyone else on this board. I've supported some of your disdainments, but let's not be hypocritical.

Do not confuse that, with my criticisms of Zahn's writing and professionalism. Furthermore, I've cited evidence for those conclusions.

MKSheppard wrote:You do amazing leaps of logic that presuppose that the Star Wars galaxy has had class 0.5 hyperdrives for 25,000 years,

I've argued the EXACT opposite and gotten flamed for it. And I still maintain this position.

B5 First Ones and SW Republic

And I quote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:Given the advanced age of the SW Republic (hyperdrive galactic civilization for tens of thousands of years with some sources indicating prior FTL exploration for hundreds of thousands of years), and the fact that they appear to have reached a level of technlogical stagnation, it is arguable that they are similar to B5's so-called First Ones in terms of maturity.

Actually, due to the fact that the Sith Empire developped until 5,000 years before ANH, it is likely the SW hyperdrive was vastly less efficient and effective until between 4,000 and 5,000 years before ANH, and that the Republic was only a small section of the galaxy if they never discovered the Sith Empire until Daragon accidently flew into it.

MKSheppard wrote:and that not one shred of information has not been lost in the violent upheavals such as the Great Hyperspace War and the Sith War.

I hope you're not talking about the stupid NJO galaxy maps and the supposed intra-galaxy location of UR, which is stupid shit.

MKSheppard wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote: That's why he brought up WEG vs. WoTC.

I'm smacking down your erroneous shit based on WotC crap. You assume
stormtroopers are garrison troops because we see them on Tatooine.

Maybe they were instead deployed directly from Vader's Star Destroyer
to hunt for the Droids?

They are the garrison troops, they are assigned there under the control of a local Prefect. This is confirmed in the novels, and besides, do you really think ISDs fly aroudn carrying dewbacks with them?

That said, WOTC's attempts at revising the stats for ships sucks shit, and their gameplay mechanics are a pain in the ass compared to the old D6 system.

Ender wrote:That said, WOTC's attempts at revising the stats for ships sucks shit, and their gameplay mechanics are a pain in the ass compared to the old D6 system.

Oh Shep, make no mistake.

I DO think WEG is the superior RPG by far.