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A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-05 06:50pm
by Grand Admiral Thrawn
1. Zan's sniper rifle:
It's a relatively simple weapon. It has a very long barrel, indicating a long range (which is seen in the movie). The scope is quite advanced, being able to target and track Obi-Wan. Also, despite the large distance, the blaster bolt arrives rather quickly. Is this a product of a long barrel? Also, why did Zan aim for the droid rather than Kenobi? Bad aim? Sadistic? A convient way of disbosing of an obsilete droid? Or did she spot Anakin and want to slow him down?
2. Clone rifle:
A rather cool looking rifle, it is quite powerful with 3 different modes semi, auto, and 2 shot burst. It's power is demostrated when a Clone fired on a Droidkei. The 2 burst was so quick it was hard to tell on normal speed it wasn't 1 shot. The first knocked down its shields (even repeated bursts from its own weapon in TMP couldn't do that) and the second literally blew it in half.
3. Slave 1 concussion missles:
Ooh, pretty. Not as cool as a sesmic charge, but far more suited to anti-fighter work. It's guidance system is pretty advanced. When Kenobi dropped the parts, I'm pretty sure the missle didn't explode from them, but rather was confused and hit the asteroid. It was only seconds between Jango stop firing the guns and the missle launch, indicating a quick lock on. And since the missles swin out instead of fired from tubes, you could, assuming a multi target lock (AFAIK the MiG-31 Foxhound today can engage 4 targets at once) take out 6 Federation...er, enemy ships.
Posted: 2003-05-06 01:38am
by Robert Treder
About Zam's sniper shot, Inside the Worlds of AOTC says that she shot the droid because a falling Jedi leaves fewer clues than a Jedi with a bullet in him.
Posted: 2003-05-06 03:01am
by Lord of the Farce
Robert Treder wrote:About Zam's sniper shot, Inside the Worlds of AOTC says that she shot the droid because a falling Jedi leaves fewer clues than a Jedi with a bullet in him.
That's assuming that you can do much forensic work with a bloody smear on Coruscant's surface.
Re: A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-06 03:07am
by Sea Skimmer
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:1. Zan's sniper rifle:
It's a relatively simple weapon. It has a very long barrel, indicating a long range (which is seen in the movie). The scope is quite advanced, being able to target and track Obi-Wan. Also, despite the large distance, the blaster bolt arrives rather quickly. Is this a product of a long barrel? Also, why did Zan aim for the droid rather than Kenobi? Bad aim? Sadistic? A convient way of disbosing of an obsilete droid? Or did she spot Anakin and want to slow him down?
With partial beam weapons a longer barrel should give you higher velocity
Ooh, pretty. Not as cool as a sesmic charge, but far more suited to anti-fighter work. It's guidance system is pretty advanced. When Kenobi dropped the parts, I'm pretty sure the missle didn't explode from them, but rather was confused and hit the asteroid. It was only seconds between Jango stop firing the guns and the missle launch, indicating a quick lock on. And since the missles swin out instead of fired from tubes, you could, assuming a multi target lock (AFAIK the MiG-31 Foxhound today can engage 4 targets at once) take out 6 Federation...er, enemy ships.
And the F-14 can engage six. If the weapon has an active seeker it should be an easy task to engage multipul targets at once, given Star Wars computer and sensor power. Though it appears that Slave 1 can only fire two missiles at once.
Re: A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-06 07:46am
by Vympel
Sea Skimmer wrote:
And the F-14 can engage six. If the weapon has an active seeker it should be an easy task to engage multipul targets at once, given Star Wars computer and sensor power. Though it appears that Slave 1 can only fire two missiles at once.
Let's not jump to conclusions. Jango Fett could have very well decided that more than two missiles was just overkill.
Re: A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-06 11:04am
by Sir Sirius
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Also, why did Zan aim for the droid rather than Kenobi? Bad aim? Sadistic? A convient way of disbosing of an obsilete droid? Or did she spot Anakin and want to slow him down?.
IIRC in the novelization Zan did first shoot at Obi, but he deflected the bolts with his lightsaber (while clinging on to the droid with just one hand), so Zan decided to shoot the droid instead.
Re: A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-06 11:25am
by Sea Skimmer
Vympel wrote:
Let's not jump to conclusions. Jango Fett could have very well decided that more than two missiles was just overkill.
We'll clearly he thought more then one missile was overkill, since he didn't fire two. I'm merely referring to the fact that the vessel only has two missile launchers. A series of rapid two weapon volleys should be possibul, but I don't think your going to cram multiple weapons into those tubes.
Re: A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-06 12:02pm
by Crayz9000
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:1. Zan's sniper rifle:
It's a relatively simple weapon. It has a very long barrel, indicating a long range (which is seen in the movie).
As I recall, Zam's sniper rifle is basically a small-scale railgun. It fires actual projectiles, not blaster bolts, and is hence stealthier.
Posted: 2003-05-06 12:48pm
by Knife
Lord of the Farce wrote:Robert Treder wrote:About Zam's sniper shot, Inside the Worlds of AOTC says that she shot the droid because a falling Jedi leaves fewer clues than a Jedi with a bullet in him.
That's assuming that you can do much forensic work with a bloody smear on Coruscant's surface.
Her method also had the advantage of disposing of the assasin droid and any evidence on it or with in it, that could identify her. Basicly she hit two birds with one blaster shot.
Posted: 2003-05-06 12:56pm
by Kerneth
Ignoring the novellization, in terms of the movie, Zam may have figured that Obi-Wan's danger sense wouldn't warn him of a shot targeted at the droid he was clutching, thus depriving him of a chance to defend himself.
Posted: 2003-05-06 05:00pm
by Grand Admiral Thrawn
It looked like to me Slave 1 has a rack of missles that come out horizantely, rather then a single launcher. But I could be wrong.
Re: A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-06 06:01pm
by Darth Wong
Crayz9000 wrote:Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:1. Zan's sniper rifle:
It's a relatively simple weapon. It has a very long barrel, indicating a long range (which is seen in the movie).
As I recall, Zam's sniper rifle is basically a small-scale railgun. It fires actual projectiles, not blaster bolts, and is hence stealthier.
The projectiles might be guided in flight. Scaling her distance to Obi-Wan in the Worlds of AOTC book's diagram, she was around 300 metres away from him when she fired. Standing up, supporting a gun with pure arm strength, and picking off a moving target from 300 metres away seems unlikely unless she's a truly fantastic marksman.
Re: A few observations of AOTC
Posted: 2003-05-06 07:31pm
by Stravo
Darth Wong wrote:Crayz9000 wrote:Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:1. Zan's sniper rifle:
It's a relatively simple weapon. It has a very long barrel, indicating a long range (which is seen in the movie).
As I recall, Zam's sniper rifle is basically a small-scale railgun. It fires actual projectiles, not blaster bolts, and is hence stealthier.
The projectiles might be guided in flight. Scaling her distance to Obi-Wan in the Worlds of AOTC book's diagram, she was around 300 metres away from him when she fired. Standing up, supporting a gun with pure arm strength, and picking off a moving target from 300 metres away seems unlikely unless she's a truly fantastic marksman.
You also have to take into account that she was not truly human so we ahve no idea just how strong she was.
Posted: 2003-05-06 08:09pm
by SPOOFE
Either that, or the gun had some sort of self-balancing system, like repulsorlifts that nullified random arm twitches (like a Steadyshot system in camcorders).
Posted: 2003-05-06 08:34pm
by Grand Admiral Thrawn
It wasn't a rail gun shot. It looked nothing like a projectile.
An auto fire feature also might be possible. It was locking on...
Posted: 2003-05-06 08:49pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:It wasn't a rail gun shot. It looked nothing like a projectile.
Sufficiently high-velocity projectiles will produce glow from air-friction.
Posted: 2003-05-06 08:52pm
by Grand Admiral Thrawn
I mean it didn't look like a projectile. It was a blobby thing.
Posted: 2003-05-06 11:30pm
by Icehawk
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:I mean it didn't look like a projectile. It was a blobby thing.
Must've been a tracer round. Whenever I see vids of real life tracer shots it always reminds me of SW blaster fire. Plus it didnt even sound remotely like a blaster. It was completely silent apart from the whistling noise the round made as it was fired.
Posted: 2003-05-07 02:12am
by Gil Hamilton
Also, Zam is a polymorph and can change aspects of her body. If she needed to move steadily, could she not have thickened her own joints in her body to increase the resistance to motion, sort of like how you tighten the movable parts on a camera tripod to prevent it from shaking and moving around?
Posted: 2003-05-07 08:00am
by Darth Fanboy
Gil Hamilton wrote:Also, Zam is a polymorph and can change aspects of her body. If she needed to move steadily, could she not have thickened her own joints in her body to increase the resistance to motion, sort of like how you tighten the movable parts on a camera tripod to prevent it from shaking and moving around?
Which probably would have taken her more time than she had.
Posted: 2003-05-07 02:06pm
by Gil Hamilton
Darth Fanboy wrote:Which probably would have taken her more time than she had.
Why would it take all that long for her to do? After all, she can change her appearance rapidly, making her joints a bit thicker wouldn't be much of a problem.
Posted: 2003-05-07 05:38pm
by SPOOFE
I dunno, Gil, there's a difference between just altering muscle shape (hell, flex your arm and you've changed your muscle shape) and skin color, and actually increasing the density and stability of bone.
I'm more inclined to believe that the gun itself had some sort of built-in stabilizer unit... I imagine such things are quite common in the Star Wars galaxy, since I doubt Zam was the first person to ever want to fire at a small target from 300 meters. Hell, the Clonetrooper rifles are supposed to have ranges of several kilometers, aren't they?