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What did Lucas take from the EU and put in the Prequels?
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:15am
by His Divine Shadow
Let's make a list shall we?
1. Coruscant
2. Jabba being alive at that time(no age specified in the OT, but mentioned in the EU)
3. The Hutts and their crime organization is taken from the EU
4. The Sith theme of "One master, one apprentice" is shown
5. The way Palpatine went about destroying the Old Republic is also shown in the manner depicted in the EU
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:34am
by Vympel
EU Old Republic Jedis- at least one I think.
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:37am
by Cal Wright
The novelisations have a LOT of shit in them that is, of course, taken from the scripts of the time. One master, one apprentice would be EU. I know for sure, the name, not the concept of the planet, Coruscant is EU. At the beginning of ANHs novelisation it talks about Palpatine's rise, the corruption of the Old Republic, etc etc. I'd have to see a big long list of what could be taken from EU then re read the novels and listen to the radio dramas some more before I could really pick out more stuff.
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:42am
by Morte
Of course a lot of that stuff could have been part of Lucas's vision anyway (eg Palpatine's rise), with or without the EU.
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:48am
by Lord Poe
The double bladed lightsaber
The Jedi "nun" (was her name Adi Galla?)
YT-1300 freighters in the Clone era
Clones based on Fett -- old EU maintained that Fett's armor was based on the predecessors to stormtroopers called "shocktroopers"
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:51am
by His Divine Shadow
So? Thats why the EU is official is it not?
This is not an EU debate thread either.
Just a simple listing of the sources or incidents or characters that are from the EU.
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:55am
by Morte
I was simply saying that it may be unfair to say that Lucas 'took' all these elements from the EU to include in movies.
I can understand character listings and such but something like:
Lord Poe wrote:YT-1300 freighters in the Clone era
Who's to say George didn't always assume that YT-1300s were from the clone era? After all, it is "a piece of junk".
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:59am
by His Divine Shadow
Morte wrote:I was simply saying that it may be unfair to say that Lucas 'took' all these elements from the EU to include in movies.
I can understand character listings and such but something like:
Lord Poe wrote:YT-1300 freighters in the Clone era
Who's to say George didn't always assume that YT-1300s were from the clone era? After all, it is "a piece of junk".
I don't see how it is "unfair", you mean as in GL did not come up with it himself or so?
It doesn't matter who came up with it, only thing that matters is wheter it came from the EU or not, if GL put it in the EU, it only gives the EU more reliability than before, just shows he's working closer with it than thought.
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:08am
by Morte
Unfair was the wrong choice of words.
Stop worrying, HDS, I'm not trying to attack the EU. For the third time, all I'm saying is that some of this may well have already been in Lucas's mind before it was written about in the EU. Therefore it may not be a situation of Lucas thinking 'wow, that's a good idea. I'll put it in my movie' just Lucas thinking 'wow, that's odd: they got my idea right'.
I just wanted to remind people of that, not start an argument.
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:10am
by His Divine Shadow
Morte wrote:Stop worrying, HDS, I'm not trying to attack the EU. For the third time, all I'm saying is that some of this may well have already been in Lucas's mind before it was written about in the EU. Therefore it may not be a situation of Lucas thinking 'wow, that's a good idea. I'll put it in my movie' just Lucas thinking 'wow, that's odd: they got my idea right'.
I am worrying, I wasn't anymore when you first said it, but when I read that last thing I got worried again since it's a snide comment against the EU, you assume Lucas would be thinking it's an oddity that they got it right in the first place and not the other way around.
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:13am
by Morte
Oh come on... can't you take a joke?
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:26am
by His Divine Shadow
Morte wrote:Oh come on... can't you take a joke?
Not really, not about this subject, anymore anyway.
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:37am
by Cal Wright
Lord Poe wrote:The double bladed lightsaber
The Jedi "nun" (was her name Adi Galla?)
YT-1300 freighters in the Clone era
Clones based on Fett -- old EU maintained that Fett's armor was based on the predecessors to stormtroopers called "shocktroopers"
Actually, wasn't the original concept that Fett was some form of super trooper (funny movie btw). Maybe that's what your saying actually. I'll have to dig up that magic myth book I have.
As far as YT1300s I'm surprised we're not seeing them in the prequels.
Posted: 2002-09-09 09:56am
by Smiling Bandit
2. Jabba being alive at that time(no age specified in the OT, but mentioned in the EU)
I don't think you can chalk this one up to Eu. We don't know how old Jabba was in RotJ, but it wasn't *that* long. certainly, HJabba would have been alive, unless his species has a avery fast growing cycle.
4. The Sith theme of "One master, one apprentice" is shown
5. The way Palpatine went about destroying the Old Republic is also shown in the manner depicted in the EU
Except I think both these were not precisely depicted in the EU and both were taken from rumors or interviews with george.
Posted: 2002-09-09 11:56am
by Ender
1) Aalya Secura
2) Double bladed lightsabre
3) name "Coruscant"
4) Sentinal class landing vessel
5) Dash Rendar's ship
6) ASP droids
7) thrantas
Yuzzem (I think, the illustrated guide to the star wars universe came out before the SE, right?)
9) Swoops
Think that's it, but the ANH SE is filled with stuff.
Posted: 2002-09-09 12:15pm
by CorSec
I could only come up with three items (two which have been mentioned):
- Coruscant
- Swoop bikes
- Aurra Sing
Posted: 2002-09-09 12:48pm
by une
Anything coming from the ANH novellization shold be discarded considerring that it was written by Lucas.
Re: What did Lucas take from the EU and put in the Prequels?
Posted: 2002-09-09 12:59pm
by THEHOOLIGANJEDI
His Divine Shadow wrote:Let's make a list shall we?
1. Coruscant
2. Jabba being alive at that time(no age specified in the OT, but mentioned in the EU)
3. The Hutts and their crime organization is taken from the EU
4. The Sith theme of "One master, one apprentice" is shown
5. The way Palpatine went about destroying the Old Republic is also shown in the manner depicted in the EU
Actually Coruscant wasn't EU, it was a GL concept. Ralph McQuarrie drew pictures of it in the 70's but GL couldn't afford to put them in SW at that time. Although I'm not sure if the name Coruscant is EU, but the concept of a city-planet is all GL. Look at the Illustrated Star Wars Universe.
Posted: 2002-09-09 01:21pm
by Cal Wright
Return of the Jedi novelisation Star Wars trilogy
p 352 paperback
Jabba smiled grimly. 'Your mind powers will not work on me boy, I am not affected by your human thought pattern.' Then as an after thought 'I was killing your kind when being a Jedi meant soemthing.'
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:02pm
by Stravo
Hmmmm...What did GL take from the EU and put in his prequels...The general suckiness of the EU has translated rather well in the prequels, PARTICULARLY in TPM. Just my thoughts.
Posted: 2002-09-09 02:47pm
by Mr Bean
GASP! Refer not to Zahn doth you Stravo? Least I have to smite you
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:17pm
by Raptor 597
[quote="Lord Poe"]
The Jedi "nun" (was her name Adi Galla?)
quote]
No, it was her Cousin, another Gallia in AOTC, I'll go find her name...
Re: What did Lucas take from the EU and put in the Prequels?
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:21pm
by Raptor 597
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
5. The way Palpatine went about destroying the Old Republic is also shown in the manner depicted in the EU
Actually Coruscant wasn't EU, it was a GL concept. Ralph McQuarrie drew pictures of it in the 70's but GL couldn't afford to put them in SW at that time. Although I'm not sure if the name Coruscant is EU, but the concept of a city-planet is all GL. Look at the Illustrated Star Wars Universe.[/quote]
Yes, but the orginial name was New Abbadon, which sort of exists in EU, because Palpatine was slowly moving the Goverment there after Hoth. Coruscant is a totally EU name though.
Posted: 2002-09-09 03:24pm
by Raptor 597
une wrote:Anything coming from the ANH novellization shold be discarded considerring that it was written by Lucas.
Yes, and most of the EU didn't hit til the '90s minus Marvel Comic I think.
Posted: 2002-09-09 08:07pm
by Stravo
Mr Bean wrote:GASP! Refer not to Zahn doth you Stravo? Least I have to smite you
NO BEAN. Absolutely not. Zahn is the ONLY reason I don't consider the EU total shit. Zahn made me start loving Star Wars again after years of a haitus. It was the flood of shit like Crystal Star and Jedi Academy trilogy that made me turn my nose up to the EU and am proud to say I haven't read a book since.
I am a disciple of Zahn...and don't you forget it!!