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Robert Brown wrote:as predicted
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the "powers that be" are on the move
a brand new board, for people who are prepared to "tow the line"

www.stardestroyer.net/phpBB2

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:He used to speak friendly of Mike, Dr. Saxton, and Young, but has been rather curt and venomous towards them since AOTC.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Robert Brown basically became dissatisfied with Star Wars by the time AOTC was released, and has since given up on being a fan of it entirely. His website is dead for all practical purposes.

He was also an extreme Canon and Original Trilogy purist, possessing an extreme distaste for the EU and Prequels and the information presented within them.

He used to speak friendly of Mike, Dr. Saxton, and Young, but has been rather curt and venomous towards them since AOTC.

RogueIce wrote: EDIT: And why would he assume we're just here to "tow the line" about SW on SD.Net?

seanrobertson wrote:

RogueIce wrote: EDIT: And why would he assume we're just here to "tow the line" about SW on SD.Net?

Rogue, all I can say is that, from what I know of Robert, he's not big on vs. debates. Neither is Curtis, for that matter.

But I wouldn't read too much into what he said. There's no way to know if he's geniunely pissed with a handful of us (which I doubt), or he's just venting a little given some personal troubles like a break-up with a girlfriend or the like.

Ender wrote:I'm more interested in the "Saxtonites" bit that was posted in the linked thread. Why is it that He and the people there don't like him?

RogueIce wrote:

seanrobertson wrote:

RogueIce wrote: EDIT: And why would he assume we're just here to "tow the line" about SW on SD.Net?

Rogue, all I can say is that, from what I know of Robert, he's not big on vs. debates. Neither is Curtis, for that matter.

But I wouldn't read too much into what he said. There's no way to know if he's geniunely pissed with a handful of us (which I doubt), or he's just venting a little given some personal troubles like a break-up with a girlfriend or the like.

This occured, and was posted, way back in August 02, according to the dates I saw.

So he's had ample time to get over a breakup or something like that.

seanrobertson wrote:*Scratches head* I honestly have no clue, then, bro. I am flat stumped!

Robert Brown wrote:then it's settled ... FORUM SITE WILL CLOSE--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I note you still wont tell me clearly where that message is or where you want it moved to. I am not going to spend an hour or two searching for it.

I did not treat you as my pet - and I STRONGLY resent the implication. Almost as much as I resent being told how to run my own site and board

I put no words in your mouth - it was a generic response to a growing trend of people ordering me about.

and If you think I am here to recieve praise then you have paid no attention whatsoever.

and YES, *gosh*, i am the only mod - the site is MINE - or dont you people get that? Browsing a site does not confer ownership or control OF it. Browbeating the person who pays for it is not a successful way of interacting with it.

My choice to use a board as an adjunct to the site itself was ONLY ever intended to be a replacement for my own PRIVATE email link (to cut down on my exposure to viruses and flames), it was turned into this monster by other people who couldnt comprehend that it was NOT originally intended to be a discussion site.

To try and stem the flow, I spent a year deleting each post as soon as I'd read it - and that STILL didnt stop people using it as a drop-box to each other.

eventually i just caved in - and let it grow, simply by leaving it alone and ignoring it. NOT FOR MY BENEFIT nor my kudos ... I just couldnt be bothered wasting hours each day tracking it.

Then gradually the rot set in - people (often anonymous) started appointing themselves as 'sub mods' apparently and deciding that they could answer PRIVATE messages addressed directly to me, and then they started setting user policy!!!

It was only a short jump from there to deciding that THEY owned the thing, and that I was simply an impediment, a too-slow-to-respond background person who selfishly 'hogged' the only password ...

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however, amongst all the dross, I note the observation that:

"I don't think that two major english tech forums could live and prosper at the same time"

well, I never considered this a 'major' forum, it was never more than a feedback mechanism gone mad

However, the solution is simple enough ...


*** I will close down this board ***


I will shortly change the banner and the link from my website informing people of the impending closure. After a suitable period, of my own choosing, I will delete every forum area, which means there will be nowhere to post to (which is the only mechanism I can find to 'switch it off').

I do not know if it is possible to migrate the few surviving messages to the new board, wherever and whenever it is made - but I am willing to delay switch-off whilst the issue is examined by whoever feels moved to do so.

I am also willing to put a link to the new board on my website - for as slong as it survives ... which is probably not long. I can not justify the expense of maintaining it. I put it back up for one reason only - to support the publication of a book by a friend.

As for a new board - I am sure that the expert who runs stardestroyer.net, or any one of a dozen other self-appointed SW luminaries would be more than willing to moderate - which of course means telling you all what to think, and when.

RogueIce wrote:(Didja know Dalton has a link on SWTC? Really! I'm amazed *grin*).

RogueIce wrote:What's with all that talk of "cheers at 'The Ranch'" when his site blacked out for a time, and this "grudge" between him and LFL (not just his, according to him, LFL people actively opposed him)?

Lord Sander wrote:Who doesn't?

Lord Sander wrote:I always found this one rather strange. I can't imagine the people at LFL caring enough about a website to cheer its going offline. They don't seem to have anything against websites of the same type by other people. The fact that they hired Saxton seems more an indication that they're open to these websites than anything else, to me.
But maybe there's a whole lot going on behind the scenes?

Darth Wong wrote:It's something of a mystery why he became resentful. Even before this board was really up and running, he had already passed judgement on it. Perhaps his hatred of all things related to the EU simply spilled over to Curtis Saxton, who is now an EU author, albeit one whose work so far deals exclusively with films rather than EU events. Perhaps there's something else going on, which we don't know about.

Another possible motivation is that both Curtis and I strongly prefer a rather scientific approach, and are not shy about saying so. He can be rather hostile toward science on occasion; I still remember the time I inadvertently incited a flamewar by pointing out that the application of force does not necessarily require an expenditure of energy (he eventually became quite furious at me over the fact that I simply wouldn't budge on this simple application of elementary physics, and claimed that I was being "dogmatic").

phongn wrote:Brown was highly critical of the EU and vocal about it - earning him no points with LFL. Something apparently happened between Brown and LFL, but what I do not know.

phongn wrote:Saxton's "include as much as possible" viewpoint probably was more palatable to LFL.

Lord Poe wrote:He doesn't want certain things officially explained or "canonized"; he prefers the time in 1995 where fans were allowed to speculate and guess about the world of Star Wars, its ships, and its weapons.

Note that the latest Visual Dictionaries, for instance, seek to fully map out Jedi lightsaber techniques. Something very close to Robert's heart, being a kendo practitioner. He has a huge section on his website about lightsaber techniques..which is overridden by the Visual Dictionary.

Get it now?

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Again, Robert takes the swordplay arts very seriously. When others do not, and, fairly or unfairly, are featured over more serious practitioners...

I've probably said too much already. But there it is.

Darth Wong wrote:*snip*

"Massive organs of commerce" ~ twenty two years we have waited to see just what lay behind that fascinating line from the Journal ~ it hinted at a grander vision, a larger-scaled epic than just the adventures of a handful of heroes. Sadly, George Lucas has failed to convincingly flesh out the history of his universe. An epic myth for the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries has been seriously dented, all for want of a little planning and a few brief words.

Since TPM ends with the Trade Federation almost certainly losing its trade franchise (newly elected Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, from Naboo, could hardly do otherwise) we shall almost certainly never hear of them again. The mystery of the Trade Federation, its curious status and the extent of its power, will never be resolved in canon lore. We shall once again be left to the ravages of lazy, money-hungry apocryphal franchise writers for highly speculative details.

Whatever happened to the good old days when neither Ralph McQuarrie and Joe Johnston wouldn't have stood for such blatant mistakes? (Is this why neither man was hired for TPM? because they'd dare to talk back to George Lucas and correct his many mistakes?)

Illuminatus Primus wrote:<snipity snip snip>

He was also an extreme Canon and Original Trilogy purist, possessing an extreme distaste for the EU and Prequels and the information presented within them.

Kurgan wrote:

He was also an extreme Canon and Original Trilogy purist, possessing an extreme distaste for the EU and Prequels and the information presented within them.

For that, he has my respect. ; ).

Yes, all ye who know SW better than GL.