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Rant: Total Morons Expect 20th Century Tech Rollovers in SW

Posted: 2003-06-15 08:04pm
by Illuminatus Primus
http:// boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=11323530&start=12039866

I'm in pain.

Posted: 2003-06-16 05:07am
by DPDarkPrimus
The TF.net boards are blocked by Koyo High School`s filter. Can`t say I`m suprised. *Budda-bum-CHING!*

Re: Rant: Total Morons Expect 20th Century Tech Rollovers in

Posted: 2003-06-16 12:10pm
by seanrobertson
Illuminatus Primus wrote:http:// boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=11323530&start=12039866

I'm in pain.
It's not as bad as Space Battles, where a lot of people are still calling 200 gigaton turbolaser shots "fan wanking." A few of the bolder (read: really stupid) posters like to take pot-shots at Curtis, noting that he "must've been on crack" when writing the cross-sections text. That pisses me off, but then I remind myself, "Forget it, Sean...it's Spacebattlestown." (A cookie to anyone who can name that reference! :) )

When will people understand that an organization that can build Death Stars MUST be capable of building smaller warships with near solar levels of power? That ISDs and the like would be incapable of billion terawatt firepower PLUS is what's absurd...

Posted: 2003-06-16 12:35pm
by HemlockGrey
I *really* wish my registration would be approved. I applied two weeks ago.

Posted: 2003-06-16 01:36pm
by Robert Treder
sean, your reference is to Roman Polanski's Chinatown. Also deftly referenced in the excellent television program Home Movies.

Posted: 2003-06-16 01:40pm
by Master of Ossus
I don't think anyone was arguing about the ability of 20th century technology to defeat SW technology. I think they were just discussing the technological stasis within the SW Galaxy. Granted, that's still pretty damn stupid, but it's not quite as bad as you had made it out to be.

Posted: 2003-06-16 02:10pm
by Robert Treder
Master of Ossus wrote:I don't think anyone was arguing about the ability of 20th century technology to defeat SW technology. I think they were just discussing the technological stasis within the SW Galaxy. Granted, that's still pretty damn stupid, but it's not quite as bad as you had made it out to be.
I think that's what IP was talking about in the first place. By "tech rollovers" he means technology being replaced by new technology, in this case at a rate comparable to that of 20th century Earth.

Posted: 2003-06-16 04:18pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Exactly.

Morons who whine that they must be retarded to use TIE Fighters in the NJO because there must be technological "rollovers" in military hardware every decade or two.

:roll:

Posted: 2003-06-17 02:42am
by Typhonis 1
Yopu want bad? Galaxy over in SB is convinced sidewinder missles will bring down TIE fighters because a fighter was destroyed flying down the Death Star tunnel.

Posted: 2003-06-17 03:00am
by SPOOFE
Morons who whine that they must be retarded to use TIE Fighters in the NJO because there must be technological "rollovers" in military hardware every decade or two.
Which is silly, of course. Look how long the B-52 was in service.

Posted: 2003-06-17 04:41am
by DPDarkPrimus
Typhonis 1 wrote:Yopu want bad? Galaxy over in SB is convinced sidewinder missles will bring down TIE fighters because a fighter was destroyed flying down the Death Star tunnel.
What was his "reasoning", or did he even give any?

Posted: 2003-06-17 05:04am
by SPOOFE
Galaxy's "reasoning" is "I think this, therefore it is so."

Posted: 2003-06-17 12:52pm
by Typhonis 1
He aid because a TIE fighter has such flimsy construction sidewinders should be able to shoot it down.Stock sidewinders not the ones I asked about armed with small nukes.

Posted: 2003-06-17 06:07pm
by Master of Ossus
SPOOFE wrote:Galaxy's "reasoning" is "I think this, therefore it is so."
Is this the same Galaxy that returns occasionally to troll our board for a couple days before running away without conceding defeat?

Posted: 2003-06-17 06:21pm
by Ender
Master of Ossus wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:Galaxy's "reasoning" is "I think this, therefore it is so."
Is this the same Galaxy that returns occasionally to troll our board for a couple days before running away without conceding defeat?
Yep.

Posted: 2003-06-18 07:45am
by DPDarkPrimus
SPOOFE wrote:Galaxy's "reasoning" is "I think this, therefore it is so."
That would fall under "lack thereof".

Re: Rant: Total Morons Expect 20th Century Tech Rollovers in

Posted: 2003-06-18 03:25pm
by justifier
seanrobertson wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:http:// boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=11323530&start=12039866

I'm in pain.
It's not as bad as Space Battles, where a lot of people are still calling 200 gigaton turbolaser shots "fan wanking." A few of the bolder (read: really stupid) posters like to take pot-shots at Curtis, noting that he "must've been on crack" when writing the cross-sections text. That pisses me off, but then I remind myself, "Forget it, Sean...it's Spacebattlestown." (A cookie to anyone who can name that reference! :) )

When will people understand that an organization that can build Death Stars MUST be capable of building smaller warships with near solar levels of power? That ISDs and the like would be incapable of billion terawatt firepower PLUS is what's absurd...
The worst thing is when we're not even using the ICS and beating the other side in a debate, they bring up the ICS and say we're wanking, when we weren't even using it!

Posted: 2003-06-19 01:51am
by Prince-Admiral Krennel
Sadly they've gotten so used to ST that if it doesn't look fancy then it's not considered very advanced.


As far as the sidewinder thing goes, I think it's safe to assume that a spacefighters frame will be built out of more resilient material than our current day airplanes.

Posted: 2003-06-19 02:55am
by HappyTarget
Which is silly, of course. Look how long the B-52 was in service.
[devils advocate] It also has had significant improvements done to it over the original production specs since it's been in service. Something the stock Tie Fighter hasn't seem to have had done to it. [/devils advocate]

Posted: 2003-06-19 11:06am
by Isolder74
SPOOFE wrote:
Morons who whine that they must be retarded to use TIE Fighters in the NJO because there must be technological "rollovers" in military hardware every decade or two.
Which is silly, of course. Look how long the B-52 was in service.
Was, it still is in service!

Posted: 2003-06-19 11:41am
by Illuminatus Primus
HappyTarget wrote:
Which is silly, of course. Look how long the B-52 was in service.
[devils advocate] It also has had significant improvements done to it over the original production specs since it's been in service. Something the stock Tie Fighter hasn't seem to have had done to it. [/devils advocate]
Too bad SW has been economically/technologically stagnant for thousands of years.

Posted: 2003-06-19 12:21pm
by JodoForce
Well, was there ANYTHING that was ever shown to fail to blow up a TIE fighter? :o Sidewinder downing a TIE fighter sounds pluasible enough to me :oops:

Not that it matters in the balance of power against anything... TIE fighters are never meant to take any kind of blast and survive, any kind at all :lol:

Posted: 2003-06-19 03:55pm
by YT300000
JodoForce wrote:Well, was there ANYTHING that was ever shown to fail to blow up a TIE fighter? :o Sidewinder downing a TIE fighter sounds pluasible enough to me :oops:

Not that it matters in the balance of power against anything... TIE fighters are never meant to take any kind of blast and survive, any kind at all :lol:
They can withstand prolonged small arms fire. This is shown in a couple comics (which ones escape me at the moment).

Posted: 2003-06-19 04:59pm
by Warspite
Well, TIEs are for all purposes trans-atmospheric vehicles, so they have a fuselage strong enough to withstand multiple atmospheric reentries, also, they can't take SW-level damage, but that doesn't mean they can't absorb damage from current (let's say, low-tech) missiles.


On-topic: :roll:

Posted: 2003-06-20 03:52am
by JodoForce
Warspite wrote:Well, TIEs are for all purposes trans-atmospheric vehicles, so they have a fuselage strong enough to withstand multiple atmospheric reentries, also, they can't take SW-level damage, but that doesn't mean they can't absorb damage from current (let's say, low-tech) missiles.
To hijack this thread further :twisted: , what happens when you fire a sidewinder at the Space Shuttle? :P