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Dorsk 81 wrote:

Darth Yoshi wrote:

Dorsk 81 wrote:I REALLY don't think thats Luke, Master of Ossus's is right, he looks way too young! Maybe its.......Jagged Fel? Clutching at straws....

So whens it ment to be coming out anyway? Over THIS side of the Atlantic? Refugee only just came out over here so I take it it'll be a while....*sigh*

Jag Fel? Why would he look like Luke? (Ooh, alliteration)

Bringing back Anakin would tottaly remove the reason for him dying which is sad...

Hardly. Depending on how they do it, his death and subsequent resurrection might be the most important events in the entire EU. The meaning of his death would change, but it would almost become more important if he were resurrected.

Master of Ossus wrote:Hardly. Depending on how they do it, his death and subsequent resurrection might be the most important events in the entire EU. The meaning of his death would change, but it would almost become more important if he were resurrected.

Oh God Ossus...anyone but you!

Why did you have to be an Anakin-will-return-er?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:Hardly. Depending on how they do it, his death and subsequent resurrection might be the most important events in the entire EU. The meaning of his death would change, but it would almost become more important if he were resurrected.

Oh God Ossus...anyone but you!

Why did you have to be an Anakin-will-return-er?

Because I think that if I were doing it it could be done properly, and it might even make the series make sense.

If they're not going to bring him back, then there was no reason to kill him in the first place. Think about it. His death had no bearing on Jacen. Any impact on Jaina disappeared after two books. Leia and Han are still the same. Luke is the same. His death means nothing as it is.

If, however, they resurrect him then the series becomes more interesting on the whole. Not only do they now have a reason to have killed him in the first place, but now the prophecy regarding Anakin can be fulfilled in a somewhat satisfying manner. I realise that this would be difficult to do properly, and that if done poorly it could destroy the series rather than save it, but I also think that their only recourse at this point is to bring Anakin Skywalker back into the picture. Now you have a symbolic coup that is both interesting and courageous.

What I don't want is for them to do the resurrection poorly. In that case, it would be better for him to have simply stayed dead. As it is, though, I see that the writers have painted (written) themselves into a corner. I would not have left myself in such a position in the first place, but I believe that the series can be saved with a proper resurrection.

I'm not sure that they WILL bring him back, but I think it would be interesting if they did it properly.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Dorsk 81 wrote:

Darth Yoshi wrote:Jag Fel? Why would he look like Luke? (Ooh, alliteration)

Bringing back Anakin would tottaly remove the reason for him dying which is sad...

Hardly. Depending on how they do it, his death and subsequent resurrection might be the most important events in the entire EU. The meaning of his death would change, but it would almost become more important if he were resurrected.

Death has no meaning, yes, in the EU they say that there is no death there is the Force, but demeaning his death and sacrifice would mean that there was no meaning for anyone to grieve in the first place, hence removing Jaina's breif flirt with the Dark Side.
Hell, why not bring back Yoda? Or Obi Wan? Or Mace? Or Qui Gon?! It removes the whole meaning of death itself. IMHO that is.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:Hardly. Depending on how they do it, his death and subsequent resurrection might be the most important events in the entire EU. The meaning of his death would change, but it would almost become more important if he were resurrected.

Oh God Ossus...anyone but you!

Why did you have to be an Anakin-will-return-er?

Because I think that if I were doing it it could be done properly, and it might even make the series make sense.

If they're not going to bring him back, then there was no reason to kill him in the first place. Think about it. His death had no bearing on Jacen. Any impact on Jaina disappeared after two books. Leia and Han are still the same. Luke is the same. His death means nothing as it is.

If, however, they resurrect him then the series becomes more interesting on the whole. Not only do they now have a reason to have killed him in the first place, but now the prophecy regarding Anakin can be fulfilled in a somewhat satisfying manner. I realise that this would be difficult to do properly, and that if done poorly it could destroy the series rather than save it, but I also think that their only recourse at this point is to bring Anakin Skywalker back into the picture. Now you have a symbolic coup that is both interesting and courageous.

What I don't want is for them to do the resurrection poorly. In that case, it would be better for him to have simply stayed dead. As it is, though, I see that the writers have painted (written) themselves into a corner. I would not have left myself in such a position in the first place, but I believe that the series can be saved with a proper resurrection.

I'm not sure that they WILL bring him back, but I think it would be interesting if they did it properly.

What are you on about?! There'd be no reason to kill him in the first place!?
Jaina's Dark Side excursion, Leia drifting from Han. Leia and Han. WEREN'T the same for one book at least, it's still brought up anyway. It had an effect on Jacen, that's why he saw him in Traitor. Yes, it didn't have an effect on Luke, not much of one anyway, but that could be because he's lived with death his whole life. His father, Obi Wan, Yoda, Chewie.
Anakin dying is the crowning point of the whole series! It's slightly like a Vulcan thing "The Needs Of The Many Out Weigh The Needs Of The Few" reminding us what the Jedi stand for, the benefits of the many! To give themselves to the masses to help trying to save them and bring peace to them, regardless of who they are. IMHO.

The rumor is, Anakin Solo was killed off because Lucasfilm didn't want any confusion to Anakin SKYWALKER in the upcoming (at the time) AOTC.

The rumor is, Anakin Solo was killed off because Lucasfilm didn't want any confusion to Anakin SKYWALKER in the upcoming (at the time) AOTC.

It doesn't get much more condescending and patronising to the fans of the franchise (fuck, if you're reading NJO, you're a better fan than me- because I refuse to prod it with a stick) to kill off a character just in case someone confuses him with Luke's father.

Vympel wrote:
It doesn't get much more condescending and patronising to the fans of the franchise (fuck, if you're reading NJO, you're a better fan than me- because I refuse to prod it with a stick) to kill off a character just in case someone confuses him with Luke's father.

Reasons behind it aside, by all rights almost none of the characters we know should still be alive after so much action.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

Vympel wrote:
It doesn't get much more condescending and patronising to the fans of the franchise (fuck, if you're reading NJO, you're a better fan than me- because I refuse to prod it with a stick) to kill off a character just in case someone confuses him with Luke's father.

Reasons behind it aside, by all rights almost none of the characters we know should still be alive after so much action.

To that I must agree Skimmer. I guess it's just a Jedi thing for them, and lots of luck for Solo and the other non-jedi...

Lord Poe wrote:The rumor is, Anakin Solo was killed off because Lucasfilm didn't want any confusion to Anakin SKYWALKER in the upcoming (at the time) AOTC.

Ok, so to whome do I send this particular smack with a big stick?

It's just a rumour, Dorsk...

Dorsk 81 wrote:What are you on about?! There'd be no reason to kill him in the first place!?

Bullshit. Resurrection is one of the most powerful images in all of literature. The fact that Anakin literally died, and went through everything that that entails, before returning to guide everyone else, represents a spectacularly interesting situation.

Jaina's Dark Side excursion,

Oh wait, Jaina isn't going over to the Darkside, nor has that EVER been mentioned or referenced or even alluded to vaguely since Dark Journey

Leia drifting from Han. Leia and Han. WEREN'T the same for one book at least, it's still brought up anyway.

Ooooh. It's still "brought up." Han and Leia are the same characters they were at the beginning of the series. If they wanted to see them grieve, they could have done it after Chewie. Killing Anakin became redundant, for this purpose, though as I have mentioned it has other significance (or could have other significance).

It had an effect on Jacen, that's why he saw him in Traitor.

As if being captured and tortured by the YV, manipulated and instructed by Vergere, losing one's sister to the Darkside, and losing contact with everyone who's ever cared about him wouldn't be enough to alter his character (which, BTW, hasn't changed much since the original books anyway. Traitor aside, he's no different than he was at the start of the series) (I'm aware that Jaina turned partially to the Darkside [for one book] in part because of Anakin's death, but in all honesty it could have just as easily happened had Anakin remained alive).

Yes, it didn't have an effect on Luke, not much of one anyway, but that could be because he's lived with death his whole life. His father, Obi Wan, Yoda, Chewie.

A beautiful example of ad-libbing a justification. Moreover, this is insensitive. If one of my friends dies tomorrow I'm not going to say "It's okay, because my mom's been dead for a while and all of my grandparents died, too, so I've dealt with death before." Even if someone has lived around considerable death, they still grieve over additional loved ones who are lost. They may not do it in so pronounced a manner as someone who has never lost anyone before, but they would still think about what the person meant to them. Moreover, Luke's lack of a grief process can also be explained through the resurrection of Anakin Solo.

Anakin dying is the crowning point of the whole series!

I agree. If done properly, Anakin's resurrection could replace it as the crowning point of the series while maintaining the power of his death.

It's slightly like a Vulcan thing "The Needs Of The Many Out Weigh The Needs Of The Few" reminding us what the Jedi stand for, the benefits of the many! To give themselves to the masses to help trying to save them and bring peace to them, regardless of who they are. IMHO.

I agree. How is this in any way damaged by Anakin's resurrection? If anything, this portion of the message is actually strengthened by the parallel between Anakin and Christ. Anakin's resurrection would also strengthen the message of the Jedi, bring "unity" from the Force (hence the title) between the living and the dead, potentially connect the YV with the Force and by extension the Jedi and the rest of the Galaxy, bring back an interesting character but also alter him in potentially very interesting and substantive ways, bring closure to the series by helping to explain Ikrit's prophecy, create an interesting image, provide an interesting context in which to work the rest of the characters (how would you react to the resurrection of a hero?), etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Edit: Fixed typo, clarified two sentences with slight additions/alterations, slightly changed the order of presentation, and altered one word for impact and clarity.

Dorsk 81 wrote: Death has no meaning, yes, in the EU they say that there is no death there is the Force, but demeaning his death and sacrifice would mean that there was no meaning for anyone to grieve in the first place, hence removing Jaina's breif flirt with the Dark Side.

1. Death still has meaning. If anything, death's importance is increased by resurrection. I have no idea how resurrecting a character "demeans" his death. Did Gandalf's death and choice to return to Middle Earth "demean" his original death? Of course not. What are you talking about? Further, Anakin's death and resurrection would be the ultimate demonstration of the Jedi philosophy, worked into an interesting context and situation, and creating a spectacularly interesting series of questions for everyone in the series. How would Nom Anor and his growing cult respond to this? How would the YV proper? How would the NR government and masses treat such an event? How would Anakin Solo be different? etc. etc. etc. Anakin's resurrection would create potentially limitless possibilities within which to craft and resolve the story while actually heightening the importance of the events that have already occurred within the NJO.

2. Jaina's forgettable romp with the Darkside could have EASILY occurred without Anakin's death. The things that were going around her on the worldship would have made anyone question their moral beliefs, and she could have easily been placed into a situation in which her choice was to use the Darkside or to die and to lose her friends with her. If anything, this choice is more interesting than what happened. Now she has to ask what the nature of the Darkside is, if it offers her the opportunity to save her friends (albeit at the expense of the YV).

Moreover, Jaina's romp with the Darkside never needed to happen in the first place. It's rarely been mentioned in the series at all (being incredibly vaguely handled even in Dark Journey), and has never been discussed since Jaina's return to the NR.

Hell, why not bring back Yoda? Or Obi Wan? Or Mace? Or Qui Gon?! It removes the whole meaning of death itself. IMHO that is.

The answer is self evident. Resurrecting those characters wouldn't do anything for the Saga. Resurrecting Anakin would make it more interesting.

Incidentally, I guess it can be argued that those characters have returned from the dead (except Mace Windu), since all of them have reappeared as "ghosts," or at the very least ghostly voices. Those reappearances have been interesting within the context of what was going on, just as Anakin's resurrection could be extremely interesting within the context of the NJO. Resurrecting Yoda would not only make no sense within the NJO, since he's never even appeared in it, but also would make no sense in the Saga in general. His role was already fulfilled when he died in RotJ. Anakin still has things that need doing.

Lord Poe wrote:The rumor is, Anakin Solo was killed off because Lucasfilm didn't want any confusion to Anakin SKYWALKER in the upcoming (at the time) AOTC.

WTF kind of a reason is that? Anakin Solo was NAMED AFTER Anakin Skywalker. How could that require any additional clarification (particularly with the events of the pregancy, his birth, etc.) Moreover, how can the audience be so stupid as to fail to recognize the differences between the two. Typographical errors aside, I doubt that anyone would be remotely confused. Fact of the matter is that if someone is intelligent enough to actually read books in the NJO, they're also smart enough to recognize that Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker are different characters, particularly because it makes no sense for them to be the same.

Sea Skimmer wrote:Reasons behind it aside, by all rights almost none of the characters we know should still be alive after so much action.

I have to agree. No one should have been able to survive what any of the main characters have been through, but hey, it's fantasy after all.

BenRG wrote: The title 'The Unifying Force' makes me wonder if Anakin is going to come back (having never died in the first place, hey it happens) with the secret of beating the Vong's force-invisibility. There follows a three-novel-long highly enjoyable exercise in vermin removal as Luke, Leia and the rest of the family rout the suddenly-vulnerable Vong.

If they bring Anakin back, he'd better have died in the first place. To bring him back without actually resurrecting him would not only be an incredible copout, but it also wouldn't make much sense. The Jedi carried his body with them when they left the worldship, and nothing happened. They watched over his carcass for days while he lay in state. They would have had to have known if he were still alive.

If he came back with an excuse that he had never actually died, that would be MUCH worse than simply leaving him dead, regardless of how well it was actually accomplished.

I also think it a cop-out to suddenly rout the YV from the Galaxy. Right now, the YV occupy between a third and a half of the entire Galaxy, and the rest of the Galaxy simply does not have the military forces to remove them that quickly. Even with the infighting of the Empire, it took them more than a decade simply to bring the Imperials to talks. With the YV it would take far longer, since there would be no negotiations and the GA forces would have to physically boot off all of the YV from all of the planets that they had captured--and even longer for worlds that had been "Vong-formed."

Master of Ossus wrote:

Dorsk 81 wrote:What are you on about?! There'd be no reason to kill him in the first place!?

Bullshit. Resurrection is one of the most powerful images in all of literature. The fact that Anakin literally died, and went through everything that that entails, before returning to guide everyone else, represents a spectacularly interesting situation.

Jaina's Dark Side excursion,

Oh wait, Jaina isn't going over to the Darkside, nor has that EVER been mentioned or referenced or even alluded to vaguely since Dark Journey

Leia drifting from Han. Leia and Han. WEREN'T the same for one book at least, it's still brought up anyway.

Ooooh. It's still "brought up." Han and Leia are the same characters they were at the beginning of the series. If they wanted to see them grieve, they could have done it after Chewie. Killing Anakin became redundant, for this purpose, though as I have mentioned it has other significance (or could have other significance).

It had an effect on Jacen, that's why he saw him in Traitor.

As if being captured and tortured by the YV, manipulated and instructed by Vergere, losing one's sister to the Darkside, and losing contact with everyone who's ever cared about him wouldn't be enough to alter his character (which, BTW, hasn't changed much since the original books anyway. Traitor aside, he's no different than he was at the start of the series) (I'm aware that Jaina turned partially to the Darkside [for one book] in part because of Anakin's death, but in all honesty it could have just as easily happened had Anakin remained alive).

Yes, it didn't have an effect on Luke, not much of one anyway, but that could be because he's lived with death his whole life. His father, Obi Wan, Yoda, Chewie.

A beautiful example of ad-libbing a justification. Moreover, this is insensitive. If one of my friends dies tomorrow I'm not going to say "It's okay, because my mom's been dead for a while and all of my grandparents died, too, so I've dealt with death before." Even if someone has lived around considerable death, they still grieve over additional loved ones who are lost. They may not do it in so pronounced a manner as someone who has never lost anyone before, but they would still think about what the person meant to them. Moreover, Luke's lack of a grief process can also be explained through the resurrection of Anakin Solo.

Anakin dying is the crowning point of the whole series!

I agree. If done properly, Anakin's resurrection could replace it as the crowning point of the series while maintaining the power of his death.

It's slightly like a Vulcan thing "The Needs Of The Many Out Weigh The Needs Of The Few" reminding us what the Jedi stand for, the benefits of the many! To give themselves to the masses to help trying to save them and bring peace to them, regardless of who they are. IMHO.

I agree. How is this in any way damaged by Anakin's resurrection? If anything, this portion of the message is actually strengthened by the parallel between Anakin and Christ. Anakin's resurrection would also strengthen the message of the Jedi, bring "unity" from the Force (hence the title) between the living and the dead, potentially connect the YV with the Force and by extension the Jedi and the rest of the Galaxy, bring back an interesting character but also alter him in potentially very interesting and substantive ways, bring closure to the series by helping to explain Ikrit's prophecy, create an interesting image, provide an interesting context in which to work the rest of the characters (how would you react to the resurrection of a hero?), etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Edit: Fixed typo, clarified two sentences with slight additions/alterations, slightly changed the order of presentation, and altered one word for impact and clarity.

I just don't see the point of killing off a character only to bring him back. Just seems unethical to me.
Your right though, if it's done PROPERLY then it would be quite cool, I was pretty surprised they killed him off as he seemed to be the central character.
I still think it would make sacrificing himself have alot less meaning. It would be like there would have been no point to it. Thats how I see it anyway.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Dorsk 81 wrote: Death has no meaning, yes, in the EU they say that there is no death there is the Force, but demeaning his death and sacrifice would mean that there was no meaning for anyone to grieve in the first place, hence removing Jaina's breif flirt with the Dark Side.

1. Death still has meaning. If anything, death's importance is increased by resurrection. I have no idea how resurrecting a character "demeans" his death. Did Gandalf's death and choice to return to Middle Earth "demean" his original death? Of course not. What are you talking about? Further, Anakin's death and resurrection would be the ultimate demonstration of the Jedi philosophy, worked into an interesting context and situation, and creating a spectacularly interesting series of questions for everyone in the series. How would Nom Anor and his growing cult respond to this? How would the YV proper? How would the NR government and masses treat such an event? How would Anakin Solo be different? etc. etc. etc. Anakin's resurrection would create potentially limitless possibilities within which to craft and resolve the story while actually heightening the importance of the events that have already occurred within the NJO.

2. Jaina's forgettable romp with the Darkside could have EASILY occurred without Anakin's death. The things that were going around her on the worldship would have made anyone question their moral beliefs, and she could have easily been placed into a situation in which her choice was to use the Darkside or to die and to lose her friends with her. If anything, this choice is more interesting than what happened. Now she has to ask what the nature of the Darkside is, if it offers her the opportunity to save her friends (albeit at the expense of the YV).

Moreover, Jaina's romp with the Darkside never needed to happen in the first place. It's rarely been mentioned in the series at all (being incredibly vaguely handled even in Dark Journey), and has never been discussed since Jaina's return to the NR.

Hell, why not bring back Yoda? Or Obi Wan? Or Mace? Or Qui Gon?! It removes the whole meaning of death itself. IMHO that is.

The answer is self evident. Resurrecting those characters wouldn't do anything for the Saga. Resurrecting Anakin would make it more interesting.

Incidentally, I guess it can be argued that those characters have returned from the dead (except Mace Windu), since all of them have reappeared as "ghosts," or at the very least ghostly voices. Those reappearances have been interesting within the context of what was going on, just as Anakin's resurrection could be extremely interesting within the context of the NJO. Resurrecting Yoda would not only make no sense within the NJO, since he's never even appeared in it, but also would make no sense in the Saga in general. His role was already fulfilled when he died in RotJ. Anakin still has things that need doing.

I haven't read tLotR trilogy and I haven't seen Two Towers yet....
I don't think it would be the ultimate meaning of the Jedi philosiphy, it says there is no death there is the Force and by that, I think they mean in the sense of....well kinda like the Final Fantasy movie, how the join Gyia (spelling?) or like Obi, Yoda and Anakin were spirits.
When I said about bringing back Yoda and Obi Wan, etc, I ment it in the context of back then, even though it would have had nothing, really, to do with the sotries going on at that point (immedietly after thier deaths, i.e. TaB).
Yes, Jaina could have gone to the Dark Side (although lets face it, she didn't actually go to the Dark Side, she just got a bit too close) without Anakins death, but it seems alot less likley, IMHO.

Dorsk 81 wrote:I just don't see the point of killing off a character only to bring him back. Just seems unethical to me.

In a way, I guess. Usually the point of killing and then ressurecting character is to allow other characters to develop without him for a little while, and then bring the old character back with enhanced powers and with new purpose. When Gandalf died in LotR, look at how Aragorn and Frodo stepped up to become the leaders of the party, developed on their own, and then how they responded to the restoration of Gandalf. In NJO's case, the purpose was lessened because the characters didn't really develop in Anakin's absence (with the possible exception of the relatively minor Tahiri), but in this case I think that resurrecting him properly would justify his death in the first place, if only by proving that the Jedi philosophy was largely correct and by finally connecting the YV to the Force and to life in general.

Your right though, if it's done PROPERLY then it would be quite cool, I was pretty surprised they killed him off as he seemed to be the central character.

I was, too, but it made some amount of sense within the context of Star by Star (which was, clearly, the standout of the series, thus far). It's kind of dangerous to put yourself in a position as a writer in which you HAVE to resurrect a character because it is difficult to pull of properly, but in this case I see little recourse.

I still think it would make sacrificing himself have alot less meaning. It would be like there would have been no point to it. Thats how I see it anyway.

I can kind of see where you're coming from, but ask yourself if Anakin knew what was going to happen to him. Of course he didn't. He chose to die for his friends, not knowing what was going to happen to him. His sacrifice is still just as poignant, but the fact that he was sent back by presumably more powerful beings (or the Force itself, in this case) makes his original death even more important, because now it's clear that he is destined to accomplish something. How do you think he would react to this happening to him? His death still managed to save his friends, but the fact that he was willing to sacrifice himself also may have played a part in the decision to return him to save others.

They've been alluding to it and alluding to it. I think I said this once before, but if they were to bring Anakin back with his body being done in kingsford style, would be for the Vong to have used something of him and make a 'clone' of sorts. They'd of course mutilate him in the Vong's eyes with tatoos but oh well. Then it might explain a lot of shit how he can now feel the vong in the force. Remember through the lambent, and the worldshaper, and when Jacen had that slug thing in his chest they could feel the Vong.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Dorsk 81 wrote:I just don't see the point of killing off a character only to bring him back. Just seems unethical to me.

In a way, I guess. Usually the point of killing and then ressurecting character is to allow other characters to develop without him for a little while, and then bring the old character back with enhanced powers and with new purpose. When Gandalf died in LotR, look at how Aragorn and Frodo stepped up to become the leaders of the party, developed on their own, and then how they responded to the restoration of Gandalf. In NJO's case, the purpose was lessened because the characters didn't really develop in Anakin's absence (with the possible exception of the relatively minor Tahiri), but in this case I think that resurrecting him properly would justify his death in the first place, if only by proving that the Jedi philosophy was largely correct and by finally connecting the YV to the Force and to life in general.

Your right though, if it's done PROPERLY then it would be quite cool, I was pretty surprised they killed him off as he seemed to be the central character.

I was, too, but it made some amount of sense within the context of Star by Star (which was, clearly, the standout of the series, thus far). It's kind of dangerous to put yourself in a position as a writer in which you HAVE to resurrect a character because it is difficult to pull of properly, but in this case I see little recourse.

I still think it would make sacrificing himself have alot less meaning. It would be like there would have been no point to it. Thats how I see it anyway.

I can kind of see where you're coming from, but ask yourself if Anakin knew what was going to happen to him. Of course he didn't. He chose to die for his friends, not knowing what was going to happen to him. His sacrifice is still just as poignant, but the fact that he was sent back by presumably more powerful beings (or the Force itself, in this case) makes his original death even more important, because now it's clear that he is destined to accomplish something. How do you think he would react to this happening to him? His death still managed to save his friends, but the fact that he was willing to sacrifice himself also may have played a part in the decision to return him to save others.

Like I said I havent seen Two Towers, so I can't comment. If they wanted to develop the other characters they could have do it without drasticly killing him off. Maybe it should have been Anakin that was captured and Jacen got away? Or he could have been comatosed (spelling?) by another YV virus. As you pointed out the characters haven't really developed in Anakins absence, this makes killing him off even more questionable.
I see bringing him back as a bit clique as well, the whole "and everyone (except Chewie) lived happily ever after. The end" kind of like (please dont think less of me for this reference!) Buffy, "I'm dead, oh no, wait, I'm not" (which has been done how many times!?) but, as said, if done properly, it could avoid that.
I think he did know what was coming, I THINK theres a line in SbS along the lines of "He could feel his cells bursting through the power of the Force" (a bit like Dorsk 81 in....Champions Of The Force when he sends the ISD's away....IIRC).
I don't know how to explain it to you, but I just feel that brining him back would make his sacrifice seem un-called for. Thats just the way I see it.

Cal Wright wrote:They've been alluding to it and alluding to it. I think I said this once before, but if they were to bring Anakin back with his body being done in kingsford style, would be for the Vong to have used something of him and make a 'clone' of sorts. They'd of course mutilate him in the Vong's eyes with tatoos but oh well. Then it might explain a lot of shit how he can now feel the vong in the force. Remember through the lambent, and the worldshaper, and when Jacen had that slug thing in his chest they could feel the Vong.

They've already made a clone of him. Remember that annoying little kid that looks exactly like Anakin from SbS and the Edge of Victory series? Conquest has already done an adequate job of explaining how it is that he learned to sense the YV. Now they just need to explain what exactly connects the Force with the YV, if in fact it is the Force that Anakin was using.

That wasn't a clone. That was an annoying little kid dressed up to be like him. Tarc was just a front. I mean a real live living breathing clone. His DNA, his structure everything. I'm re-reading (yeah, you heard it. I'm re reading an EU novel, and NJO one at that. Gasp) Star By Star. In it Anakin can't truly sense from great distances or discern individuals that greatly like he can do with regular people through the force. The crystal is merely a conduit. I'm talking about a way in which there is NO conduit. Anakin fully senses them in the Force, in the same manner he does everyone and everything else.

Just leave the dead be. If you have to bring someone back to life because you wrote yourself into a corner, you need to write better.

And kill Tahiri too! She buggs.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Just leave the dead be. If you have to bring someone back to life because you wrote yourself into a corner, you need to write better.

And kill Tahiri too! She buggs.

You can't kill Tahiri, she's the only character thats grown as a result of Anakins death. It wouldn't make sense....unless they decided to bring her back to!

Well, starting out on this topic, I was definately of the strong opinion that Anakin should not be brought back. While I haven't really changed that view, I have wavered in it, by some good debating.

Don't get me wrong, I want Anakin back. He had by far the most interesting character development in the entire cast. He was going places. I still can't see Jacen as anything more than annoying, and while Jania is starting to develop love interests and such, and has become important in her own right, there's just something not right about her. Anakin was really finally starting to blossom as a character full of potential, then they killed him off. (A choice I still resent to this day)

There was so much invested into him as a character, with prophecies, Chewie's sacrifice, his experiences on Yavin, his love interest, etc, that it was a real disappointment to see him, the budding character of NJO, get wacked. Tahiri fell like a house of cards after his death, and hasn't been anything but annoying since. (Sorry, but it is my opinion on that) No one has really taken his place. Jacen, scary though it may be, seems to be the one that the books are turning to to be the hero.

However, given all of the above, and the fact that I simply want Anakin back, the fact is, I don't think it's a good idea. One, I have the same moral problem of bringing people back to life as others on this board do. You play that card to much, you become Star Trek or any other number of shows who have killed, then brought back to life. But it's more than that. I simply DON'T TRUST THESE WRITERS TO GET IT RIGHT. That's the biggest thing. I agree, that if they were able to pull it off, it may well be the best thing for the series, and we would finally get that damned prophecy out. But the fact is, I don't think these writers that are doing this are up to the challenge of getting it right. If it happened, he'd come back, get lots of hugs and kisses, and then proceed to destroy the Vong. There simply isn't TIME for anything else. We only have a few books left, and I don't think that there's time to handle Anakin's return correctly, and finish the war off correctly. (Actually, I figure they'll botch both things, if they do bring him back.)

As much as I hated Anakin going off and dying, he needs to stay dead. He went out as a character very strong, one that everyone will remember. Had he lived, he would still be going through the hands of these other writers, and bit by bit, he'd be just as hated as everyone else in the NJO.