Vong vs. Yevetha

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-15 01:05am

Assume that the Praetorite Vong (priest group in Vector Prime) enters the galaxy some years before the start of the Black Fleet Crisis. For some reason they set up shop just inside the Koornacht Cluster, where the Yevetha live. The Yevetha attack. Who wins the resulting conflict?

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-15 01:20am

I will have to go with the Yevetha on this one. Holy shit Yoshi. Could you make a more piss poor poll? Reasons why? Yevetha and Vong have both been shown to hand the New Republic thier collective asses on a silver GCS platter. Now, the Vong manage at first due to unfamiliar tech. However, the New Republic, Chiss, Imperial Remnants have all shown they can easily beat them back. They are only overwhelmed by force. Now, the Yevetha only lost to the Republic fleet due to deception from within. They had the battle in hand when suddenly the 'Pride of Yevetha' a Super-Class Star Destroyer. The thrust ships should have been the ultimate POS, yet they weren't. The Yevetha were practically treasured by the Empire due to thier ability to improve on present day technology. Sheilds were stronger, ships were faster, hell turbolasers were even more powerful. (Fuck you Darkstar, that GCS goes down, hard!!!). Given this, the Yevetha are also extremely ruthless. They are exactly identical to the Vong, except they only covered a trilogy in the EU, they were contained to thier home systems, and they use mechanical abominations (obviously, this is why I said the Empire treasured them so). I have no doubt in my mind, that the Yevetha would easily obliterate the Vong. Much in the same manner that the Empire would be able to claim victory. They both lack what the New Republic has, disorganisation.

P.S. This part is not an immediate concession. If i have mistaken something in reference to the Yevetha, I apologise in advance. I will not in any way shape or form re read the fucking BFC. It is no more akin to the Star Wars universe/franchise than Crystal Star. Thank you for your time and patience. ¤§¤

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-15 02:03am

The Yevetha don't have enough ships to win, 5 new Republic battlegroups with a few hundred ships were expected to beat there forces, the Vong have destroyed quite a few more NR ships then that.

With equal numbers though, the Yevetha would win.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-15 02:29am

They were to win, yet the Yevetha surprised them with superior ships. The Vong have only one due to the fact that the New Republic does not show up to fight, except on a few choice occasions. The Vong use overwhelming force to win thier engagements. However, even so, the Yevetha would not suffer as the New Republic has and would ineveitable defeat the Preatorite Vong.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-15 05:21pm

The Yevetha would actually win, because their tech is superior to the Empire's. Plus, the Praetorite Vong is numerically inferior, and only beat the NR taskforce by surprise. If the Yevetha were dumbe enough to go down on the ground Klingon style, though, the Vong would own them.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-15 06:15pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:The Yevetha would actually win, because their tech is superior to the Empire's. Plus, the Praetorite Vong is numerically inferior, and only beat the NR taskforce by surprise. If the Yevetha were dumbe enough to go down on the ground Klingon style, though, the Vong would own them.

Now that would be a tougher call. The Yevetha have those built in daggers in thier hand that come out wolverine style. It would be interesting, but I don't know much more than that about Yevetha melee.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-15 07:27pm

Those claws are sharp, but they don't stop lightsabres.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-15 07:48pm

Are we sure on that. I don't recall the Yevetha ever going against any Jedi.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-15 07:52pm

Well, I think it's infered, as lightsabers can cut through blast doors...

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-15 08:15pm

Can't be inferred. They may cut through blast doors, but not snakes. There again cortosis ore (what a shitty invention. next thing you know they'll make some creature that can negate the force). Basically I believe the rock can refract the lightsabre. Basically it causes a negative feedback loop and shuts the thing down. In fact heavy turbolaser shots can't even phase the stuff. (ref VotF). What I think would intale is that the amphistaffs are not only heat resistant (obviously by a huge margin) but possibly contain light reflection also. The same could be said for the vondumm crab armor. There again, it's unknown that if the Yevetha's blades can block sabre beams.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2002-09-15 09:02pm

Can't be inferred. They may cut through blast doors, but not snakes. There again cortosis ore (what a shitty invention. next thing you know they'll make some creature that can negate the force).

Was that a joke? Cuz there are the ysilarmi (sp?)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-15 09:37pm

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:Can't be inferred. They may cut through blast doors, but not snakes. There again cortosis ore (what a shitty invention. next thing you know they'll make some creature that can negate the force).

Yevethan blades cannot block lightsabers. Not even Yuuzhan Vong weapons can do so. Instead, some YV creatures project mental shields to protect themselves (probably part of the "Deeper Force" theme that permeates the NJO). We have every reason to believe lightsabers would cleanly slice through Yevethan weapons.

Incidentally, the mechanism that Cortosis Ore uses to stop lightsabers is well known. Because lightsabers send energy in an arch, cortosis ore stops the energy from travelling by essentially turning off the weapon. The remaining energy continues in an arch until it makes contact, again, with the emitter, after which no more energy is emitted. This is well known, and was demonstrated in VotF.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-15 09:39pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:The Yevetha would actually win, because their tech is superior to the Empire's. Plus, the Praetorite Vong is numerically inferior, and only beat the NR taskforce by surprise. If the Yevetha were dumbe enough to go down on the ground Klingon style, though, the Vong would own them.

When was Yevethan technology shown to be better than the Empires? They seemed to apply it in an effort to optimize for different things, but their technology does not appear to be better. They just apply it differently, with different goals in mind. Remember that the withdrawal of the Imperial ships from their lines was a major contributing factor for how they lost the war.

Smalleyjedi · Post by **Smalleyjedi** » 2002-09-16 10:06pm

Cortosis ore doesnt stop turbolasers, it is vewry brittle. Hijarna stone is the black rock that drinks turbolasers. Both were in the chiss Hand of Thrawn

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-16 11:36pm

Jadeite wrote:
Can't be inferred. They may cut through blast doors, but not snakes. There again cortosis ore (what a shitty invention. next thing you know they'll make some creature that can negate the force).
Was that a joke? Cuz there are the ysilarmi (sp?)

Would you like a cookie? Here, anarchist gave me this one. Funny thing is, it tastes like beer and pretzels.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-16 11:37pm

Smalleyjedi wrote:Cortosis ore doesnt stop turbolasers, it is vewry brittle. Hijarna stone is the black rock that drinks turbolasers. Both were in the chiss Hand of Thrawn

Actually when I saw this I rememberd. The Hand of Tharwn tower was built of the stuff.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-16 11:39pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:The Yevetha would actually win, because their tech is superior to the Empire's. Plus, the Praetorite Vong is numerically inferior, and only beat the NR taskforce by surprise. If the Yevetha were dumbe enough to go down on the ground Klingon style, though, the Vong would own them.
When was Yevethan technology shown to be better than the Empires? They seemed to apply it in an effort to optimize for different things, but their technology does not appear to be better. They just apply it differently, with different goals in mind. Remember that the withdrawal of the Imperial ships from their lines was a major contributing factor for how they lost the war.

It was in the books. The Yevetha could improve on present tech. They could make the turbolasers more powerful and the sheilds stronger. The retreat of the 'Pride of Yevetha' and Imperial warships was huge for the point that the New Republic would now have a much stronger numerical force at the battle.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-16 11:44pm

The Imperials could probably make their turbolasers and shields more powerful, but they would have to sacrifice something in order to do so. The numerical advantage was also especially important because the Yevethan philosophy had always been dependent on numbers up (or, at least, even) situations. Note their design philosophy, which was heavily weighted for small-scale engagements between a few ships, but also remember that their T-types were not remarkeably better than gunships, and were worse in large fleet battles.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-16 11:47pm

Master of Ossus wrote:The Imperials could probably make their turbolasers and shields more powerful, but they would have to sacrifice something in order to do so. The numerical advantage was also especially important because the Yevethan philosophy had always been dependent on numbers up (or, at least, even) situations. Note their design philosophy, which was heavily weighted for small-scale engagements between a few ships, but also remember that their T-types were not remarkeably better than gunships, and were worse in large fleet battles.

But they were still bitchin ass pieces of shit. Man, I am gonna have to go back and read that craptacular trilogy now and get the quotes out. Remember patrons of SD.net, you did this to me!!!!!!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-16 11:51pm

No, DG. It's not worth it. You can't pick up those books again. Concession granted. As many as you want. Just don't read that trilogy a second time!

It is a fate worse than death.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-17 01:18am

Reading all of KJA even once is worse. BFC isn't as bad as death, but barely.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-17 01:53am

Sad thing is those ship to ship battles in the last book are some of the best in Star Wars, yet the shear amount of life draining crap around them overshadows that fact.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-17 09:09pm

I can honestly say this. I have read the Jedi Academy Trilogy twice. The first EU I ever read was the Academy series. Then I read it again just a month ago so I could figure out what the hell is going on. BFC I have read Before the Storm twice, because I actually thought I remembered a damn good fleet scene. Man was I wrong. MoO take comfort in knowing that I will only crack those pages in BFC again if it is to sustain only minmum amount of pages possible. However, I will say this, KJA's shit is better than BFC. The Crisis had some alright space battles, KJA couldn't even dream of something that awesome. However, the rest of the story didn't drag shit out on a pointless...okay maybe it did, but it wasnt boring as hell.

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