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Posted: **2003-07-06 10:54am**

Atlan wrote:
Ender wrote:
And here is the problem. IT would be 4.2E22 joules. THe guns fire for 1/15th of a second, meaning when you adjust for it being power like on the main site, it becomes 6.05E23 watts. More then the reactor outputs. When you go to an ISD, it has more power but it also has alot more guns.
You know, a sufficiently advanced civilisation could use a device called a "Capacitor" to store energy in, and release it all in a short period of time for use in high wattage applications.
Naaah, that would never work....

Tell you what fuckhead, how about you show me where those are on the diagrams, then explain away the statements that TLs draw straight from the powercore before you continue this farce, k?

Fucking newbies.

Posted: **2003-07-06 10:58am**

Where did this come from?

Posted: **2003-07-06 11:02am**

Colonel Olrik wrote:Where did this come from?

The locked SB thread. You guys have been jumping on stuff lately when there are still discussions going on in them, and I wasn't going to let this one get past.

Posted: **2003-07-06 11:05am**

Ender wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:Where did this come from?
The locked SB thread. You guys have been jumping on stuff lately when there are still discussions going on in them, and I wasn't going to let this one get past.

Oh, OK. As far as I can tell, the reason Necron closed the thread was the inherent SB bashing, the debate was a victim. Perhaps he should have split it.

Posted: **2003-07-06 12:46pm**

If you want to debate SW, then we have a forum for that. The other thread was a thread on SB trolls, and was highly likely to turn into a disgusting flamefest.

And no, I am not a draconian thread locker who jumps on stuff with little provocation. I very rarely lock threads.

Which is exactly why I'm moving this thread to PSW.

Posted: **2003-07-06 01:04pm**

Anyone claiming 1 TT is just being stupid. Hell, even the 200GT per barrel doesn't work (thought 200 GT for all 4 does). They simply can't power a broadside like that along with acceleration and shields. TT levels are out. Unless anyone wants to actually argue that they drop shields when they fire that is.

What do you think HTL yields on the ISD are then? (Combined all barrels)

Posted: **2003-07-06 01:09pm**

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Anyone claiming 1 TT is just being stupid. Hell, even the 200GT per barrel doesn't work (thought 200 GT for all 4 does). They simply can't power a broadside like that along with acceleration and shields. TT levels are out. Unless anyone wants to actually argue that they drop shields when they fire that is.
What do you think HTL yields on the ISD are then? (Combined all barrels)

I think they are 2.4 TT.

Posted: **2003-07-06 01:11pm**

YT300000 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Anyone claiming 1 TT is just being stupid. Hell, even the 200GT per barrel doesn't work (thought 200 GT for all 4 does). They simply can't power a broadside like that along with acceleration and shields. TT levels are out. Unless anyone wants to actually argue that they drop shields when they fire that is.
What do you think HTL yields on the ISD are then? (Combined all barrels)
I think they are 2.4 TT.

Thank you Ender.

Posted: **2003-07-06 01:15pm**

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Thank you Ender.

Sorry, but I just come into this thread and you ask this question. So I answer.

Posted: **2003-07-06 07:23pm**

Ender wrote:Tell you what fuckhead, how about you show me where those are on the diagrams, then explain away the statements that TLs draw straight from the powercore before you continue this farce, k?

Fucking newbies.

I don't know, Ender. I am seeing one of those ISD cutaways and am seeing an Item called "Turbolaser turret auxiliary power cells" - couldn't those act as a capacitator for this work?

The picture of the heavy TL also shows a nice set of "power cells" below the turret. Could those act as a capacitator?

Using common sense, it is highly unlikely the Empire will fail to use something like a capacitator to increase his weapons' potential wattages.

I do remember SOME passages about drawing straight from the powercore. But I also remember some passages implying charge-ups.

Tyrant's Test P.193 for instance, clearly says that "primary and secondary armaments armaments were at combat readiness, with their accumulators half-charged" and that it would take 12 more seconds to bring the guns to full power (implying the accumulator can hold up to 24 seconds worth of energy.

The pictures, by the way are
http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Cannons/heavytl.jpg
http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Cannons/icsisd.jpg

Posted: **2003-07-06 08:13pm**

Ender wrote:
Atlan wrote:Tell you what fuckhead, how about you show me where those are on the diagrams, then explain away the statements that TLs draw straight from the powercore before you continue this farce, k?
Where is that said? Also, how does it preclude the usage of a capacitor? The energy still comes from the reactor core it's just stored in the capacitor until it fires.
Also:

Turbolasers
Heavy shipboard laser weapons require immense amounts of power to cut through the shields snd armnor of large military craft and to penetrate planetary defenses. To generate this power, turbolasers are equipped with tubine generators and banks of capacitors to build up and store the energy necessary to make a very powerful laser pulse.

(ref: Star Wars Sourcebook)
This one strangely says that turbolasers get their power from other generators though, maybe the power from those generators is used for something else than the shot itself, possibly for other TL related systems, I am just guessing.

Pg. 120: ...the Imperials had designed their ships using old-fashioned stationary gun emplacements. After a blaster cannon or ion cannon fired, it took several milliseconds for the cannon's giant capacitors to recharge.

(ref: The Courtship of Princess Leia)

Pg. 88: Turbolasers draw so much power that each one has its own dedicated turbine, and multiple capacitor banks supplement the turbine's power feed. The power core regulates energy flow, bleeding off excess and blocking power surges that could cause the turbolaser to explode. Turbolasers use a delay of at least two seconds between shots to allow the capacitors to build up an adequate charge.

(ref: The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology)
This one also seems to indicate that turbolaser use their own turbine generators, but it might be for other TL related systems.
But it does have capacitors.

Same with this one:

"Three turbolaser towers were grouped into a single, fire-linked battery. It provided the area with synchronized protection against attacking craft. These were basically anti-spacecraft weapons which used turbine generators and capacitor banks to build up, storeand fire very powerful laser pulses."

(ref: The Death Star Technical Manual)

Posted: **2003-07-06 08:28pm**

Ender wrote:Fucking newbies.

No need to be all pissy and leap down his throat because he's new. And it does turn out there could be capacitors for Imperial weapons.

Posted: **2003-07-07 12:32am**

So.... because the ICS doesn't specifically point out a capacitor bank, that means it isn't there? I guess this also means that Acclamators don't have any toilets, hmm?

Posted: **2003-07-07 11:26am**

Illuminatus Primus wrote:No need to be all pissy and leap down his throat because he's new. And it does turn out there could be capacitors for Imperial weapons.

Well I provided four quotes that speaks of turbolasers and capacitor banks, I think it's more than just "could" at this point.

Posted: **2003-07-07 12:04pm**

Alright, point conceeded HDS

Posted: **2003-07-07 12:26pm**

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Ender wrote:Fucking newbies.
No need to be all pissy and leap down his throat because he's new. And it does turn out there could be capacitors for Imperial weapons.

I didn't do it because he was new, I did it because of his fucking attitude.

Posted: **2003-07-07 05:02pm**

Ender wrote:I didn't do it because he was new, I did it because of his fucking attitude.

Anyhow, whats your work hypothesize for HTL yields?

Posted: **2003-07-08 11:15am**

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Ender wrote:I didn't do it because he was new, I did it because of his fucking attitude.
Anyhow, whats your work hypothesize for HTL yields?

You already have a copy of that. I haven't touched HTLs since wrapping up the BDZ bit. I've been working on reactors and Mass/power balances since.

Posted: **2003-07-08 11:19am**

I don't got anything, but my own estimates put an ISD2 broadside in the 30TT range.

Posted: **2003-07-08 12:21pm**

His Divine Shadow wrote:I don't got anything, but my own estimates put an ISD2 broadside in the 30TT range.

That's roughly an entire order of magnitude over what I rate it''s enire gun compliment at. My stuff is based off how long it takes to preform a BDZ. Yours?

Posted: **2003-07-08 12:36pm**

Ender wrote:That's roughly an entire order of magnitude over what I rate it''s enire gun compliment at.

Wow! you're damn conservative.

My stuff is based off how long it takes to preform a BDZ. Yours?

Size ratios, conservative, don't got any real estimates to show you anymore, it was so long ago, Connor made some other size/ratio estimates using laser-cannons and turbolasers and got I think numbers from 5TT to 12TT per barrel for HTL's.

And RPG infos done separatly, got similar results really.

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