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FTL-Turbolasers

Posted: 2003-07-08 04:16pm
by FTeik
Just finished reading the Corellia-Trilogy (for those, who have read RMBs Shattered Sphere-Novels, the guy seems really fixed on building star-systems) and it got me thinking.

a) Would it be possible (with SW-tech) to make a Turbolaser, that moves faster than lightspeed (hyperwaves do it and the repulsors of Centerpoint-station did it, too)?

b) How would such a progress change the way battles and wars are fought on the tactical and strategical level?

Re: FTL-Turbolasers

Posted: 2003-07-08 04:19pm
by YT300000
FTeik wrote:Just finished reading the Corellia-Trilogy (for those, who have read RMBs Shattered Sphere-Novels, the guy seems really fixed on building star-systems) and it got me thinking.

a) Would it be possible (with SW-tech) to make a Turbolaser, that moves faster than lightspeed (hyperwaves do it and the repulsors of Centerpoint-station did it, too)?

b) How would such a progress change the way battles and wars are fought on the tactical and strategical level?
Well, if you make one, firepower is all that matters, as there is no point in evasive maneuvers. Firepower and shields. Therefore, there would be no more starfighters.

Posted: 2003-07-08 05:09pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
IIRC, early in the NJO the NR leaked rumours that they were developing an FTL turbolaser that could aim and fire on targets far inside a star system while being located outside the system.

But it was a bluff against the Vong, since I think the NR knew that FTL TLs were (at least currently) impossible.

Posted: 2003-07-08 05:15pm
by FTeik
Well, it should be possible (see hyperwaves), but i was wondering, if they would need a 350 kilometer long space-station.

And why would such a development make starfighters obsole?

Posted: 2003-07-08 05:23pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
I don't think hyperwaves have anything to do with how turbolasers operate. And Centerpoint Station did not fuction in any way similar to turbolasers as a weapon. Each work on different principles...

Posted: 2003-07-08 05:45pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I don't think hyperwaves have anything to do with how turbolasers operate. And Centerpoint Station did not fuction in any way similar to turbolasers as a weapon. Each work on different principles...
Centerpoint seemed to just open a wormhole and pull a planet through, or give a tug to a star's core.

Posted: 2003-07-08 05:52pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Hmm, I always thought that it just pulled the planets through Hyperspace when it contacted the planet-mounted repulsors. And this is only a guess, but without a repulsor to connect to, it might just latch onto the centre of mass and end up pulling on the planet's (or star's) core, thereby destroying them...

Posted: 2003-07-08 05:55pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hmm, I always thought that it just pulled the planets through Hyperspace when it contacted the planet-mounted repulsors. And this is only a guess, but without a repulsor to connect to, it might just latch onto the centre of mass and end up pulling on the planet's (or star's) core, thereby destroying them...
"Hyperspace" in the Star Wars FTL sense is a tachyonic realm. Repulsors are magic gravitic devices--they propogate at C.

Therefore, it seems more likely to me that when Centerpoint opens a gate in "hyperspace" it means hyperspace in the traditional higher-dimensional sense, and then gravitically warps the space-time around the target star's core, destablizing it.

Posted: 2003-07-08 06:06pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Yeah, I know that Hyperspace is just Realspace from a tachyonic perspective, and not travel through 4D space as it is in such titles like B5.

I admit that I only knew a little about the gravitic nature of repulsors, but was unaware that they only operated at c.

And considering that the Hyperspace Aliens (if they were responcible for CPS and the Corellian System) would most likely use something that operated with such an advanced method, your theory is probably right.

Posted: 2003-07-08 06:07pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I admit that I only knew a little about the gravitic nature of repulsors, but was unaware that they only operated at c.
Well I suppose I should clarify they could always be magic that appears like gravitics, but if they are straight gravity devices, they would propogate at c.

Posted: 2003-07-09 02:35am
by FTeik
The way i understood it, Centerpoint-station propelled the focused repulsor-/antigravity-beams from the five planetary repulsors of the Corellian System (like the eight single ones from the DeathStars) to FTL and directed it at the target.

As for the similarities between TLs and hyperwaves, a laser is a focused beam of light (which is also a wave AND a particle) and if you want you want to communicate without everybody listening, you have to sent the hyperwave-signal in a straight line. :roll:

What about the tactical implications?

Posted: 2003-07-09 02:43am
by Spanky The Dolphin
I pray that you are not suggesting that turbolasers are lasers...

At least I pray for your sake that you're not...

Posted: 2003-07-09 06:22am
by Connor MacLeod
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I admit that I only knew a little about the gravitic nature of repulsors, but was unaware that they only operated at c.
Well I suppose I should clarify they could always be magic that appears like gravitics, but if they are straight gravity devices, they would propogate at c.
Considering the centerpoint blast in "Agents of Chaos 2" launched at the Vong fleet was visible, I doub t it was pure gravity (it was emitting light/energy.)

Posted: 2003-07-09 06:24am
by FTeik
Have to read my AOTC:ICS on that again.

Posted: 2003-07-09 10:47am
by Illuminatus Primus
Connor MacLeod wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I admit that I only knew a little about the gravitic nature of repulsors, but was unaware that they only operated at c.
Well I suppose I should clarify they could always be magic that appears like gravitics, but if they are straight gravity devices, they would propogate at c.
Considering the centerpoint blast in "Agents of Chaos 2" launched at the Vong fleet was visible, I doub t it was pure gravity (it was emitting light/energy.)
Well I didn't mean they're nature per se, but if their effects are purely gravitational than they should propogate at c.

And you're right, the Drall repulsor also fired an oddly visible beam.