StarDestroyer.Net BBS

Hey folks, I wasnt sure if I was to post this in the "news" forum or Pure Star Wars because it is news, but it's about Star Wars. Anyways... here's the story, taken from the main page of The Furry Conflict:


The Furry Conflict interviews David Anderson, the creative mind and webmaster behind the Imperial Navy Ship Database, quite possibly the most complete Star Wars ship reference library on the Internet today. A quick and candid dialogue reveals a little bit about the origins of INSD, it's history and the thoughts of it's creator about the original Star Wars trilogy. From the massive Executor-class "Super Star Destroyers" to Sienar Fleet System's Toscan Fighter, INSD provides a wealth of information and indices culled from the X-wing video game series (INSD currently usins X-wing Alliance stats). If you're a fan of video games, Star Wars, or both, INSD is definitely worth a visit. | FULL ARTICLE

Hey folks, just a heads up, this site does use alot of game info (as it says in the article), which isnt much value for debating around here, but it's definitely a fun visit.

PS: The INSD site doesnt exactly have the best server in the universe... so if u cant get to it, try back another time.

The link doesn't work Marc.

Like I said, the INSD link isnt on the most reliable of servers. The article is on my server, however.

It is ok. The fighters are the best section. The SSD section was annoying with the lumping of all the ships and the adherence to the clearly flawed 12,500 meter BS.

Marc Xavier wrote:Hey folks, I wasnt sure if I was to post this in the "news" forum or Pure Star Wars because it is news, but it's about Star Wars.

News & Politics is for politics and political news only, so don't worry.

Thanks, Dalton.

Ahh, 12,000 metre SSD's, my hatred swells anew and I am invigorated by it.

His Divine Shadow wrote:Ahh, 12,000 metre SSD's, my hatred swells anew and I am invigorated by it.

That's all right... it's clearly 12,800 meters.

[img]http://supreme_sheridan.tripod.com/images/alert1.txt[/img]

BULLSHIT NUMBER ONE: Super class Star Destroyer.
REALITY: Executor class Command Ship.
BULLSHIT NUMBER TWO: 12800 meters long.
REALITY: 17600 meters long.

"Alliance A-Wings were able to cowardly exploit a little design defect, leaving the bridge of the Executor completely unshielded long enough for a doomed A-Wing to crash into the main bridge and send the ship crashing into the surface of the Imperial II Death Star."

Oops it was actually the Mon Calamari ships that briefly took out the bridge defelctor shields!

BULLSHIT: ISD weapons
REALITY: Check Saxton's site for the canon MODEL guns.


Also, this dumbass forgot EVERYTHING between an ISD and an Executor.

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:[img]http://supreme_sheridan.tripod.com/images/alert1.txt[/img]

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Yeah, well, you know I was joking at least... right?

Eleas wrote: <snip>

Yeah, well, you know I was joking at least... right?

That post was not directed at you, rather at the stupid site.

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote: "Alliance A-Wings were able to cowardly exploit a little design defect, leaving the bridge of the Executor completely unshielded long enough for a doomed A-Wing to crash into the main bridge and send the ship crashing into the surface of the Imperial II Death Star."

Oops it was actually the Mon Calamari ships that briefly took out the bridge defelctor shields!

Actually due to poor editing in that battle we can come away with two interpretations of the events.

Ackbar orders: "Concentrate all firepower on that Superstardestroyer." (BTW does this go against the notion that it is an Executor class since an Admiral ion the Rebellion calls it a Superstardestroyer?)

CUT TO: A-Wings blowing up sensor/shield globe.

CUT TO: "Sir, we lost our bridge deflectors."

That is the sequence of events in the movie. The interpretation that the A-wings brought down the bridge deflectors can be easily supported by this edit, as we have the order being given, THEN we have the A-Wings take out the sensor/shield globes (I do believe there is still some debate out there as to what they are since some sources say these are shield generators, stupid I know but for sake of argument) THEN the bridge crew reacts to that explosion of the globes, officer looks down at his display and says "Shields out."

If it has been,

"Concentrate all power on that superstardestroyer"

CUT TO: "Sie we lost our bridge deflectors."

CUT TO: A-Wings taking out sensor globes as empahsis that the shields are indeed down

There would be no debate.

But as I see it the case is VERY Strong that the A-Wings took out those shields because of editing choices and the emphasis on the resulting explosion of the globes, rocking the bridge which was followed by a display telling the duty officer the shields were down.

Explain how the A-Wings took out these shield generators if the shields were up.

Stravo wrote:
Ackbar orders: "Concentrate all firepower on that Superstardestroyer." (BTW does this go against the notion that it is an Executor class since an Admiral ion the Rebellion calls it a Superstardestroyer?)

Hardly. Both Han and Palpatine called it a Command ship. Ackbar was in the middle of a battle and Basic is his second language so he was probably just using Rebel slang terms.

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Explain how the A-Wings took out these shield generators if the shields were up.

Bad design, why did the bridge shields go out AFTER the globes were destroyed?

Stravo wrote:
Bad design,

BULLSHIT. If it was this simple Ackbar could have just ordered fighters to blow up the globes themselves, not for the cruisers to attack.

why did the bridge shields go out AFTER the globes were destroyed?

The didn't.
This is what happens:

1. Ackbar orders all fire on the Executor.
2. Executor loses Bridge shields.
3. Fighters waiting to attack destroy globes.
4. Bridge is rocked twice. First from capital ship fire, the second from the globe being destroyed.
5. Officer checks display and sees shields down.


And furthermore, the Executor has like 8 globes. 1 would not knock out the shields.

Stravo wrote:

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Explain how the A-Wings took out these shield generators if the shields were up.

Bad design, why did the bridge shields go out AFTER the globes were destroyed?

The shields went down before the generators were destroyed, allowing the A-Wings to open fire on the domes and destroy them.

Bad design is the most moronic reason I've heard. The shields protect the whole ship, and yet they don't extend over themselves?

Master of Ossus wrote:

Stravo wrote:

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Explain how the A-Wings took out these shield generators if the shields were up.

Bad design, why did the bridge shields go out AFTER the globes were destroyed?

The shields went down before the generators were destroyed, allowing the A-Wings to open fire on the domes and destroy them.

That is NOT what we see in the movie. We see the explosion of the globes rock the bridge THEN a bridge officer looks at his display and says "Sir we lost our bridge deflector shields."

What does one take form that? That the blast of teh globes took down the shields. The sequence of events you describe would have been explained by the Stravo edit of the battle (see previous post) which was not followed in the movie.

Stravo wrote:

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Explain how the A-Wings took out these shield generators if the shields were up.

Bad design, why did the bridge shields go out AFTER the globes were destroyed?

Because you can't fire through the shields until they're overwhelmed. That's the whole damn point of shields.

It would not have been possible to shoot at and destroy the multi-purpose domes atop the command tower as long as the shields were still up and functioning. Therefore, the shields MUST HAVE already been down before the domes were destroyed. The sequencial order of scenes is irrelevent.

And as for the Super Star Destroyer bit, it just backs up the notion the KDY vessels larger than a Star Destroyer serving as motherships/command and control vessels are colloquially known as "Super Star Destroyers." The Executor-class Commandship fit this description, as did the Soveriegn-class, and Eclipse-class, as well as the Alleagance-class. Jerec's battlecruiser has also been often characterized as an SSD. They are ALL "Super Star Destroyers."

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Stravo wrote:

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Explain how the A-Wings took out these shield generators if the shields were up.

Bad design, why did the bridge shields go out AFTER the globes were destroyed?

Because you can't fire through the shields until they're overwhelmed. That's the whole damn point of shields.

And as for the Super Star Destroyer bit, it just backs up the notion the KDY vessels larger than a Star Destroyer serving as motherships/command and control vessels are colloquially known as "Super Star Destroyers." The Executor-class Commandship fit this description, as did the Soveriegn-class, and Eclipse-class, as well as the Alleagance-class. Jerec's battlecruiser has also been often characterized as an SSD. They are ALL "Super Star Destroyers."

I agree with all of you, but what I'm saying is that the edit of the movie does NOT support this notion. There is a strong argument to be made that the editors and director were empahsizing that the A-Wings took out the shields. Look at the movie edit of events and the Stravo edit and tell me which one supports the shields down when the globes are destroyed theory best and tell me why it wasn't edited that way.

Stravo, the A-wing attack didn't appear to rock the bridge of the ship, nor did the explosions afterwards. In fact, it couldn't possibly have done that because the explosions were so pidly compared to the mass of the Executor. We can only infer that another attack was also occurring, which was substantial enough to rock the ship and the bridge, and that this attack was going on at about the same time as the A-wings were attacking the sensor dome.

Master of Ossus wrote:Stravo, the A-wing attack didn't appear to rock the bridge of the ship, nor did the explosions afterwards. In fact, it couldn't possibly have done that because the explosions were so pidly compared to the mass of the Executor. We can only infer that another attack was also occurring, which was substantial enough to rock the ship and the bridge, and that this attack was going on at about the same time as the A-wings were attacking the sensor dome.

Ahhh....thank you sir. That begins to make some sense. I'm just arguing based on the edit of that sequence, I do not believe that the A-Wings actually took out the shields, just to be clear. It's just that I do enjoy arguing a strong but losing position.