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Would a stardestroyer REALLY be able to orbit earth?
Posted: 2003-07-21 11:33pm
by Omega-13
Let us say, for a moment, that a stardestroyer decides to orbit earth at a distance like we see in the movies, ,would something that weighs 40 million tons have a huge effect on our ecological system?
Just curious
Posted: 2003-07-21 11:34pm
by Dark Hellion
You mean besides the huge affects thousand kilometer fireballs would have on the ecology
Posted: 2003-07-21 11:44pm
by Hasler
No it shouldnt effect anything. It is incredibly small compared to the planet. I think mar's moons are 16 kilometers and they dont affect it.
Re: Would a stardestroyer REALLY be able to orbit earth?
Posted: 2003-07-21 11:49pm
by Xenophobe3691
Omega-13 wrote:Let us say, for a moment, that a stardestroyer decides to orbit earth at a distance like we see in the movies, ,would something that weighs 40 million tons have a huge effect on our ecological system?
Just curious
40 million tons is a drop in Earth's Oceans, let alone the entire damn mass of the Earth. Even the Moon isn't heavy enough to shift the center of gravity outside of the Earth's sphere
Re: Would a stardestroyer REALLY be able to orbit earth?
Posted: 2003-07-22 01:19am
by Howedar
Omega-13 wrote:Let us say, for a moment, that a stardestroyer decides to orbit earth at a distance like we see in the movies, ,would something that weighs 40 million tons have a huge effect on our ecological system?
Just curious
^infinity
Posted: 2003-07-22 01:45am
by Master of Ossus
An ISD would only affect the Earth's orbit on an incredibly small level. The DS's entry into orbit might actually affect it significantly, but in all honesty I don't see how either would affect the ecology of an Earth-like planet to any appreciable degree.
Posted: 2003-07-22 02:32am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
It would be quite interesting to see what an ISD or an SSD would look like from the surface if they were in about the same orbits as Phobos or Deimos. I'm thinking an SSD would look slightly smaller than Phobos at the same angular distance, but with an extremely distinctive arrowhead shape. An ISD would probly look like a brilliant white point (it looked like it had white paint in the movies) that resolves into the familiar ISD shape in a small telescope. Needless to say, an ISD in LEO would look quite spectacular!
Posted: 2003-07-22 03:04am
by RedImperator
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:It would be quite interesting to see what an ISD or an SSD would look like from the surface if they were in about the same orbits as Phobos or Deimos. I'm thinking an SSD would look slightly smaller than Phobos at the same angular distance, but with an extremely distinctive arrowhead shape. An ISD would probly look like a brilliant white point (it looked like it had white paint in the movies) that resolves into the familiar ISD shape in a small telescope. Needless to say, an ISD in LEO would look quite spectacular!
A lot would depend in the
Executor's case on whether it's broad or narrow surfaces were facing the planet. IIRC also, the ventral surface is a little brighter than the dorsal surface (this is going on a MicroMachines model, so don't take this at face value). If the sides were facing us, all we'd see is a line, maybe a little thicker on one end. The ISD, OTOH, would look pretty much like a dagger unless it had its bow or stern pointed directly as us.
Posted: 2003-07-22 03:19am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
RedImperator wrote:Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:It would be quite interesting to see what an ISD or an SSD would look like from the surface if they were in about the same orbits as Phobos or Deimos. I'm thinking an SSD would look slightly smaller than Phobos at the same angular distance, but with an extremely distinctive arrowhead shape. An ISD would probly look like a brilliant white point (it looked like it had white paint in the movies) that resolves into the familiar ISD shape in a small telescope. Needless to say, an ISD in LEO would look quite spectacular!
A lot would depend in the
Executor's case on whether it's broad or narrow surfaces were facing the planet. IIRC also, the ventral surface is a little brighter than the dorsal surface (this is going on a MicroMachines model, so don't take this at face value). If the sides were facing us, all we'd see is a line, maybe a little thicker on one end. The ISD, OTOH, would look pretty much like a dagger unless it had its bow or stern pointed directly as us.
Ah crap I knew I shoulda taken the ships' facing relative to the observer into account... LOL
/me is lazy...
Posted: 2003-07-22 06:04am
by jenat-lai
Its only a mile long right? Orbiting at an altitude of at LEAST 170km high (lowest it can be without deorbiting in a few hours due to atmospheric drag, and even there it'd need a few extra 'boosts' every day to keep it in orbit and not loose speed due to drag) It's tidal force would be, what shall we say. "Neglegible" would be polite. "Non existant" wouldn't be far off. A more stable orbit would have it at around the 350 to 400km high area. Facing level to the surface, ie the majority of it's /\ shape showing, maybe inverted (ie bridge side to surface) it'd be quite bright, considering how bright they are painted. Not visible in the day perhaps, but early evening, early morning for sure. Face down, it'd be still bright, but likley smaller (though when where talking about something as big as a " . " then meh. Deathstar in Low Earth Orbit (350km) might be something fun. prolly twice the size of the moon. sure it would have some funky tidal forces happening maybe (MAYBE) but again, compared to the planet, it's not exactly huge. Though I wouldn't wanna see some funny green light suddenly appear near that crater type of thing...
Posted: 2003-07-22 06:10am
by Spanky The Dolphin
I can't believe that this is really being asked...
x e^100
Posted: 2003-07-22 02:55pm
by Stormbringer
Moved to Pure Star Wars where this belongs.
Posted: 2003-07-22 03:16pm
by Sea Skimmer
An ISD is probably billions of tons given all the ultra dense armor and unbotainium construction. However it wouldn't matter, the Earth masses 6,600 million trillion tons and the moon 80 million trillion tons. A few billion tons won't affect much of anything. maybe you'd be able to find small difference in the tides, but thermal expansion on any given day would probably give more variance.
Posted: 2003-07-22 03:49pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Shit, I hope we're not planning on finishing the ISS anytime soon, or the ecosystem will be no more. We're doomed I say! DOOMED!!!
Re: Would a stardestroyer REALLY be able to orbit earth?
Posted: 2003-07-22 06:38pm
by Isolder74
Omega-13 wrote:Let us say, for a moment, that a star destroyer decides to orbit earth at a distance like we see in the movies, ,would something that weighs 40 million tons have a huge effect on our ecological system?
Just curious
And how much mass does the MOON HAVE
the Earth seems to be able to manage have a odject orbiting it 1/4 the size of itself I don't think that the Earth would even notice the Star Destroyer until the thing opens up on the planet. The tides would not even be affected by this new mass in orbit. Of course if the fired on the moon until it disintigrated into little tiny bits then yes it would affect our Ecological System.
Earth Mass = 5.98 X 10^24 Kg
your SD Mass = 40,000,000,000 Kg(asumming mtons)
F = G(M1)(M2)/r^2
so force pull on earth by Sd = G(6.67 X 10^-11)(40,000,000,000 kg)(5.98 X 10^24 kg)/(350,000 m + 6.37 X10^6)^2
1.20 X 10^11 N = 7.91 X 10^9 Lb of pull
The Moon on Earth = G(6.67 X 10^-11)(7.35 X 10^23 kg)(5.98 X 10^24 kg)/(3.82 X 10^8 m)^2
1.98 X 10^21 N = 4.45 X 10^20 Lb of pull
difference in force = 1.98 X 10^21 N(4.45 X 10^20 Lb)
That is a big difference! The SD doesn't even hold a candle to the moon! <edit to clarify>The difference is not seen because of significant digits. But it is there but compared to moons pull it is insignificant
Posted: 2003-07-23 12:10am
by Frank Hipper
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I can't believe that this is really being asked...
x e^100
You and I both, Senor Dolphin.
Posted: 2003-07-23 02:51am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Frank Hipper wrote:Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I can't believe that this is really being asked...
x e^100
You and I both, Senor Dolphin.
You two and I troth., Senors Hipper and Dolphin...
Posted: 2003-07-23 02:57am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
jenat-lai wrote:Its only a mile long right? Orbiting at an altitude of at LEAST 170km high (lowest it can be without deorbiting in a few hours due to atmospheric drag, and even there it'd need a few extra 'boosts' every day to keep it in orbit and not loose speed due to drag) It's tidal force would be, what shall we say. "Neglegible" would be polite. "Non existant" wouldn't be far off. A more stable orbit would have it at around the 350 to 400km high area. Facing level to the surface, ie the majority of it's /\ shape showing, maybe inverted (ie bridge side to surface) it'd be quite bright, considering how bright they are painted. Not visible in the day perhaps, but early evening, early morning for sure. Face down, it'd be still bright, but likley smaller (though when where talking about something as big as a " . " then meh. Deathstar in Low Earth Orbit (350km) might be something fun. prolly twice the size of the moon. sure it would have some funky tidal forces happening maybe (MAYBE) but again, compared to the planet, it's not exactly huge. Though I wouldn't wanna see some funny green light suddenly appear near that crater type of thing...
Interesting idea. I don't see why an ISD wouldn't fly 'inverted', since its dorsal HTLs would have a nice coverage on the planet...
This assumes the planet is neutral and/or Rebel anyway. ISDs orbiting pacified or Imperial worlds would show no particular preference in facing relative to the planet.
Posted: 2003-07-23 03:23am
by Darth Wong
Yet again, Omega-13 demonstrates that he is a Village Idiot.
Posted: 2003-07-23 03:43pm
by DPDarkPrimus
Darth Wong wrote:Yet again, Omega-13 demonstrates that he is a Village Idiot.
*budda-bum-CHINK*
Posted: 2003-07-23 03:55pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Darth Wong wrote:Yet again, Omega-13 demonstrates that he is a Village Idiot.
ROFLMAO!!
Posted: 2003-07-23 04:05pm
by YT300000
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Darth Wong wrote:Yet again, Omega-13 demonstrates that he is a Village Idiot.
ROFLMAO!!
Its not funny Ein.
Its fucking hilarious!
Posted: 2003-07-23 10:11pm
by jenat-lai
An ISD in orbit around earth would make a huge impact on earth's ecology... if it opened fire
Re: Would a stardestroyer REALLY be able to orbit earth?
Posted: 2003-07-23 10:51pm
by aerius
Omega-13 wrote:Let us say, for a moment, that a stardestroyer decides to orbit earth at a distance like we see in the movies, ,would something that weighs 40 million tons have a huge effect on our ecological system?
Lemme answer your question with another question. Does your dick reach your ass?
Posted: 2003-07-23 10:58pm
by Dark Hellion
An ISD in orbit around earth would make a huge impact on earth's ecology... if it opened fire
With stupid questions like this it wouldn't take long. I think we can safely say good-bye to Omega-13's home state.