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I'm wondering, do we ever see Jedi combat sense employed against droids? Or does it only work when fighting living beings?

Jedi have a *Spidey Sense of sorts that lets them detect any danger to THEM and it works aginst everything. However Acutal Pre-con to say dodge bullets and do Matrix style moves only works aginst organic oppenstes because they THINK of the act first then preform it and thats what the Jedi is sensing for

Jedi can also link each other together, with considerable effort. When this happens, the Jedi can see and hear anything that their buddies are hearing and seeing. This is slightly better than their pre-cognitive abilities during combat, and also allows them to coordinate their attacks and defenses against their enemies.

Mr Bean I would agree with 99.99999% of your ascertation on Jedi combat, except that it mostly is routed in EU interpretations. I mean in TPM Obi, and Qui-Gon didn't have any problems with droids at all. There didn't seem to be any difference by the way Obi dealt with droids in TPM, and the way he dealt with Jango in AOTC, if you know what I mean.

I mean in TPM Obi, and Qui-Gon didn't have any problems with droids at all.

They did not need to, How do you think Luke can block the Seekers shots at all while blind-folded?

They get a Spidy Sense that lets them do things like Block Blaster shots from any-one but its NOT as good as while Facing Organics

IE they are less efficant aginst Bots then agianst Organics BECAUSE they get both Spidy sense precon AND Thought Based Pre-con

See what I mean?

Or to put it another way a Single Jedi could block 6 Droids shooting at him with a blaster, or tweleve humans shooting at him with blasters

Yes I do see what you mean, however I don't feel that it's supported in any way in the films, we see both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon twirl around like dancers and block shots that are coming from all around them in TPM, when facing droids. I see Luke get shot in the hand when facing off on Jabba's sail barge against what 6, 12 tops, guards. I see Luke being saved from Boba, by Han when Luke was facing what 5 guards?

All I am saying that while I don't disagree with your diagnosis, I do feel that it's mostly EU and that cannon films override it in many instances. Case in point, in HTTE, when Luke is rescued from deep space by Karrde, he gets shot with a stun bolt by one guard with an yslamari attached to him. Now this would play in your favour with your argument, since a man with ylsamari would be equivalent to a droid, but in the movies, TPM and AOTC, we see that the Jedi are not hindered by the fact that droids aren't organic beings. Also your own example in ANH, Luke facing off with the seeker/trainer/thingy droid.

Yes I do see what you mean, however I don't feel that it's supported in any way in the films, we see both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon twirl around like dancers and block shots that are coming from all around them in TPM, when facing droids. I see Luke get shot in the hand when facing off on Jabba's sail barge against what 6, 12 tops, guards. I see Luke being saved from Boba, by Han when Luke was facing what 5 guards?

Your comparing fully trained Jedi's aginst somone with a month or two of training?

Case in point, in HTTE, when Luke is rescued from deep space by Karrde, he gets shot with a stun bolt by one guard with an yslamari attached to him. Now this would play in your favour with your argument, since a man with ylsamari would be equivalent to a droid, but in the movies, TPM and AOTC, we see that the Jedi are not hindered by the fact that droids aren't organic beings. Also your own example in ANH, Luke facing off with the seeker/trainer/thingy droid.

That the point, you just misunderstanding what I'm saying is that the Sense comes FROM the Force, anything be it rocks, a driod, an exploding bridge Consle, anything that would HARM the Jedi he becomes aware of

When that which will harm him is not part of the Foce(IE blocked by Yslamari) they don't GET the extra split second of warning

Ever read VOTF? when Mara and Luke are being chased by the Chiss, Luke has a tough time block shots by those that are carrying Yslamari back-packs but when Mara starts blasting them it becomes much easier for him to block the shots

Mr Bean wrote:

Crown wrote:Yes I do see what you mean, however I don't feel that it's supported in any way in the films, we see both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon twirl around like dancers and block shots that are coming from all around them in TPM, when facing droids. I see Luke get shot in the hand when facing off on Jabba's sail barge against what 6, 12 tops, guards. I see Luke being saved from Boba, by Han when Luke was facing what 5 guards?

Your comparing fully trained Jedi's aginst somone with a month or two of training?

Your original post was;

Mr Bean wrote:Or to put it another way a Single Jedi could block 6 Droids shooting at him with a blaster, or tweleve humans shooting at him with blasters

We know that in ANH, Luke blocks the shots of the sparring droid with the blast shield down, when we was new to the Force, maybe what two hours training tops, and then several months later, one might argue even a couple of years, after spending time training with the last Jedi Master on Dagobah that he is a little more proficient in the Force, yes? In TESB novelisation that I have written by Donald F. Glut, pages 138 -139:

'Let yourself go...'
When Yoda perceived that Luke was as relaxed as the young student could be at this stage, he made the tiniest of gestures. As he did, the two seeker balls above his head shot toward Luke, firing stun bolts as they moved.

<snip> Luke pretty much accounts for the seeker balls easily.
Yoda compliments him again, then...

-and then two seeker balls floated up behind him and moved into formation with the first two.
Luke Skywalker's grin began to melt away.

There is more off that stuff through the book, Yoda setting three onto Luke when he is cooking, but Luke avoids them all. So clearly he was proficient with at least three (page 168), armed with nothing more than a kettle top and a spoon I might add, at the time of TESB. By your own statement that means that he should have been able to deal with at leas 6 organics, when he was at that level. And yet we know that he surpassed that level of training by the time of ROTJ. Vader told him as much when he said; 'Your training is complete.'

Mr Bean wrote:

Crown wrote:Case in point, in HTTE, when Luke is rescued from deep space by Karrde, he gets shot with a stun bolt by one guard with an yslamari attached to him. Now this would play in your favour with your argument, since a man with ylsamari would be equivalent to a droid, but in the movies, TPM and AOTC, we see that the Jedi are not hindered by the fact that droids aren't organic beings. Also your own example in ANH, Luke facing off with the seeker/trainer/thingy droid.

That the point, you just misunderstanding what I'm saying is that the Sense comes FROM the Force, anything be it rocks, a driod, an exploding bridge Consle, anything that would HARM the Jedi he becomes aware of

When that which will harm him is not part of the Foce(IE blocked by Yslamari) they don't GET the extra split second of warning

Then there shouldn't be any difference between a droid attacker then an organic attacker, even though the EU claims otherwise! Are droids part of the Force? If yes than no difference, if no then the difference. You see? I mean you might think that I am being anally retentive here, but it's just this is all EU stuff, which to my mind has been pretty much refuted in the movies.