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Call it an "Infinities" if you want, but here's the divergence: The stormtrooper that shot Leia in the shoulder on Endor hits her in the head instead. Her death and Han's subsequent death means they can't trick the Imperials into opening the generator doors.

Also because of her death, Luke is distracted at a critical moment and is disarmed by Vader, resulting in his turning and/or death. It doesn't matter.

What DOES matter is the Empire is intact, and has another 22 years to build Death Stars and the like before the Yuuzhan Vong attack. No Ssi-Ruu incursion, no Yevethan assault, just the peace of a gun.

How far does the Vong get?


Oh, and we'll forget about IG-88 and the droid uprising for the purposes of this exercise. I don't know what the Vong would do to a galaxy full of droids.

The vong manage a few victories, but once the empire comes down on them they die real fast.

This has been done before.

The Empire would smack down the Vong like a pesky bug.

Would the Vong even get past Belkedan (SP?)

Which one was Belkedan?

I don't know if the Empire would have adapted their tactics as quickly as the Vong did. They tended to discourage innovation and the like, it may have ended up with massive fleets grinding each other down.

Victory thought attrition overwhelmingly favors the Empire, especially since you giving it multiple Death Stars with which to blow up any worlds the Vong do capture.

The Vong needed time to build their fleets. The NR gave them time because of indecisive nature...the Empire has no such problem.

The instant the Emperor, with 30 years of time of building and reinforcing his Empire, would've smacked the Vong before they got past the Outer Rim.

Crush, maim, mutilate, destroy, repeat.

The first incursion into Empire territory gets stomped on by increasing forces unil the entire Sector group is involved if necessary. As the size of the threat(presuming they have enough to give a shit about) is discovered, Oversector Groups will be formed along the axis of threat, and the majority of the offensive arm not needed elsewhere for security will be redeployed as well. No one will give a shit about Zonoma Sekot, and the Emperor will order them utterly eradicated, because its no fun having someone to kick around that you can't even Force-Choke a little. The Royal Guardsmen will prove a near-match for Yuuzhan Vong warriors one on one, and the Sovereign Protectors will ruin their whole day. The YV will find that the Empire is pefectly willing to use the DS on planets they attempt to conquer, and will have their industrial centers located and destroyed systematically.

the NJO already established that the Empire at its height would have stomped the Vong with a minimum of effort.

Not to mention the absolutely pricelessly amusing Vong reaction to the Dark Troopers and other cybernetically enhanced troops.

Bwahahahahaha!

The Empire loses maybe half a dozen worlds, then takes action and crushes the Vong like a bug. Of course, so should the NR (it has the military capacity to do so), assuming two things:

1) Ridiculous EU minimalism does not exist
2) Borsk Fey'lya is put in jail after betraying one of the founding heroes of the New Republic in the Thrawn Trilogy

Technically, if we are going to cancel EU minimalism for the Empire, we should do so for the YV as well. They still get their asses kicked though.

consequences wrote:Technically, if we are going to cancel EU minimalism for the Empire, we should do so for the YV as well. They still get their asses kicked though.

The minimalism for the Vong is at least reasonable; can you imagine a fleet with enough power to both sustain an enormous populace and destroy a government with the economic backing of millions and millions of worlds being moved across galaxies in a few dozen years? The logistics of it boggle the mind. There is no excuse for EU minimalism for the NR and Empire, though, not when WEG has had it right for years.

No Ssi-Ruu incursion, no Yevethan assault, just the peace of a gun.

The Ssi-Ruuk and Yevetha are both absolutely pathetic. The Empire crushes them with virtually no losses. Nothing short of irrelevant. The NR does, too, again assuming that the authors understand how fleet-building works.

They certainly deserve to have more than they are credited with, can you imagine even attempting to cross over to another galaxy to take it over if you don't have a crapload of resources?

Of course the Ssi Ruu and Yevethan conflicts would have never occured had the Empire stayed in power. The Ssi Ruu moved in only after the death of the Emperor and the yevetha took similar measures after Endor when acquiring the Black Fleet.

im guessing though had the empire stood the Vong would not have even made the attempt, their operatives providing intelligence would have informed them that the Empire could not have been beaten and conflict been avoided.

EDIT: By the way this thread has been done many times over and now that the consensus opinion has been reached, lockage may be appropriate your modships

The beach head force of the Vong was 1000 capital ships and an unknown amout of armed civillian transport Worldships. This is minimalism that maeks sense, their galaxy was utterly destroyed, how can they be expected to sustain a large fleet out in the void wth no resources?

Meanwhile the Dondonna quote in ANH gives the Empire a minimum fleet size of 55 trillion ships when wou average out the firepower of Acclamators, VSDs, ISDs, ASDs, and ESDs.

Only chance that the Vong would have would be if Nom Anor or someone got a local moff to look the other way while they built up on some of the minor worlds in his sector. Given enough time that way they could be a threat, but that would take a lot of time, even with their mind boggeling production rates.

Can someone please explain where the 1000 capship figure comes from?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Can someone please explain where the 1000 capship figure comes from?

Or more to the point, when did it say in the NJO that the YV Galaxy was destroyed, 'cause that's kinda interesting. Did they say how/why?

Its pretty retarded. In the NJO Sourcebook they claim that in the last great war, the Vong destroyed all the inhabitable planets with a tactic known as "Yo'Gand's Core."

The same moon crashing trick used on Sernpidal.

Apparently they fought until every inhabitable place was fucked up by mooncrashes or something.

Sounds pretty dumb to me, but whatever.

It would actually be the only effective means of resource denial when any inhabitable world can be a ridiculously capable shipyard in a few months.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Its pretty retarded. In the NJO Sourcebook they claim that in the last great war, the Vong destroyed all the inhabitable planets with a tactic known as "Yo'Gand's Core."

The same moon crashing trick used on Sernpidal.

Apparently they fought until every inhabitable place was fucked up by mooncrashes or something.

Sounds pretty dumb to me, but whatever.

You're right that is retarded considering that in the NJO the YV have been shown to have almost magical terraforming skills that only require beetles

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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Can someone please explain where the 1000 capship figure comes from?

Or more to the point, when did it say in the NJO that the YV Galaxy was destroyed, 'cause that's kinda interesting. Did they say how/why?

I don't think it does. The Vong came to the SW Galaxy because of some God bullshit.

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Crown wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Can someone please explain where the 1000 capship figure comes from?

Or more to the point, when did it say in the NJO that the YV Galaxy was destroyed, 'cause that's kinda interesting. Did they say how/why?

I don't think it does. The Vong came to the SW Galaxy because of some God bullshit.

Another reason to hate that piece of shit series. I am sorry, but it's like someone gave the go-ahead for KJA to write the overall plot and allow other authors to fill it in. I forsee a very rushed and fucked up ending.

Perhaps. There's only two books left in the arc and the authors appear to have made no attempt to start winding things down.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Can someone please explain where the 1000 capship figure comes from?

Hero's Trial, during the military briefing scene.