Sifo-Dyas.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-09-27 07:31am

Sifo Diaz, according to The kamionians is a "leading memeber of the Jedi council" and Obi-Wan says he was killed "almost ten years ago" meaning he was alive at the time of Ep1.
BUT
According to the EP1VD the jedi council DOES NOT have a member called Sifo-Diaz. So what is going on?

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2003-09-27 08:38am

I think he died before the events in Ep.I happened.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-09-27 09:04am

KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:I think he died before the events in Ep.I happened.

The Obi-Wan would have said "OVER ten years ago" instead of "ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO."

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2003-09-27 09:32am

Ep.II didn't necessarily take place ten years to the day after Ep.I, so; let's say the events in Ep.I took place in 1993. Sifo Diaz died in August of 93', and Ep.I took place in September. Now let's say Ep.II took place in June of 2003. You still have AOTC happening ten years after TPM basically, and Sifo being dead for almost ten years. That's the most reasonable explanation I can think of, where everything works.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-09-27 09:36am

If Diaz died before TPM and after ordering a clone army, who got him to order it? Palpy could ony do this after becomeing high chancellor

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-27 12:30pm

Maybe the Kaminoans were misinformed. Or it could be that one of the EP1 Jedi Council members then left for some reason, then shortly after was replaced by Sifo-Dyas who then was killed.

It could also be that Sifo-Dyas doesn't exist and merely is a pseudonym used by Count Dooku or another of Palpatine's cronies.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-09-27 12:34pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:It could also be that Sifo-Dyas doesn't exist and merely is a pseudonym used by Count Dooku or another of Palpatine's cronies.

Obi-wan and the rest were familiar with Sifo D, however. I think its more likely that someone used Sifo D's name in order to trick the Kaminoans. Also, another thing to consider is that when Kaminoans say 'years' they might not mean the same as Galactic Standard Years.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-09-27 12:59pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Maybe the Kaminoans were misinformed. Or it could be that one of the EP1 Jedi Council members then left for some reason, then shortly after was replaced by Sifo-Dyas who then was killed.

It could also be that Sifo-Dyas doesn't exist and merely is a pseudonym used by Count Dooku or another of Palpatine's cronies.

That seems likely to me, Dooku kills Diaz and impersonates him when ordering the army to confuse any potential investigators

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-09-27 02:41pm

Or Diaz could have been in cahoots with Palpy but Dooku killed him to atain his position as Palpy's assistant. It wouldn't have been the 1st time that Palpy had tried to play off 2 jedi with the winner becoming his #2.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-09-27 04:17pm

As far as i know four of the seats in the Jedi-Council are NOT constantely occupied by the same person, meaning, that there is some kind of rotating-mechanism, that leads to a more or less constant exchange of the masters sitting in those chairs.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-09-27 04:19pm

FTeik wrote:As far as i know four of the seats in the Jedi-Council are NOT constantely occupied by the same person, meaning, that there is some kind of rotating-mechanism, that leads to a more or less constant exchange of the masters sitting in those chairs.

But why if hes was just a temperoy member would he be discribed as "leading"? (if you says that the kaminoians had the right infomation, which is far from proven)

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-09-27 05:01pm

It's Sifo-Dyas.

Unless you're referring to Cameron Diaz's evil stepbrother.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-27 05:01pm

kojikun wrote:Also, another thing to consider is that when Kaminoans say 'years' they might not mean the same as Galactic Standard Years.

The Kaminoans would know better than to not use Standard years.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-09-27 05:03pm

Crayz9000 wrote:It's Sifo-Dyas.

Unless you're referring to Cameron Diaz's evil stepbrother.

Sifo-Dyas then, you knew who i meant. Just shows what playing GTA:vC will to do you spelling abillity

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-27 06:15pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:It could also be that Sifo-Dyas doesn't exist and merely is a pseudonym used by Count Dooku or another of Palpatine's cronies.

I think the cronie label is much more likely. Dooku is alread involved under the name Tyrannus. I think between Jango and the Kaminoans some one would have put two and two together some where along the line if they were the same person.

More likely Sifo-Dyas was a crony of Palpatine's who he had elminated because he didn't want to go all the way. It's pretty clear that the army was for the Republic and Sifo-Dyas might have thought he was doing the right thing. Later he probably balked at turning to the Dark Side when the whole thing was revealed to him.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-27 06:17pm

Or perhaps he was merely eliminated when he had "fulfilled his duty"...

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-09-27 08:20pm

Sifo-Dyas seems to have died either before Michah Giiet's death or was a filling member inbetween there and TPM. I'm leaning towards the latter in the case of likeliness.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-28 04:41am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
kojikun wrote:Also, another thing to consider is that when Kaminoans say 'years' they might not mean the same as Galactic Standard Years.
The Kaminoans would know better than to not use Standard years.

Then again, they are so isolated from the rest of the galaxy that they might not even know of the Galactic Standard.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-09-28 05:02am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
kojikun wrote:Also, another thing to consider is that when Kaminoans say 'years' they might not mean the same as Galactic Standard Years.
The Kaminoans would know better than to not use Standard years.
Then again, they are so isolated from the rest of the galaxy that they might not even know of the Galactic Standard.

I seriously doubt that.

Galactic Standards were established nearly 25000 years ago. The Kaminoans should be aware of their use, especially since they know how to count using Standard numbers and speak Basic fluently, and they had no problem communicating a business transaction with Obi-wan without any difficulty understanding each other.

Also, the Kaminoans aren't so isolated as they are nearly unknown of by most citizens of the Galaxy, because they prefer to be secretive. In the rair chance that they didn't know the Standard calander or dating system, nothing would prevent them from looking it up from public sources.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-09-29 04:36am

Let's see the most logical solution...

Jango was hired by a man called Tyranus (Dooku) on one of the moon of Bogden, to be the "base sample" for the cloning process. That's what Jango said to Obi-wan.

That gives the hint that the cloning job was ordered by the same person...Dooku, under the disguise of Sifo-Dyas.

It's also logical that he was the one who erased the location of Kamino from the archives, since only a jedi could have done it.

The Kaminoans never questioned the order. Although they were not part of the Old Republic, they respected the jedis and noone would create conspiration theories about an order which is coming from the Jedi Council and the Republic.

Good plan...stupid jedis almost ruined it.

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2003-09-29 04:55am

Boba Fett wrote:Let's see the most logical solution...

Jango was hired by a man called Tyranus (Dooku) on one of the moon of Bogden, to be the "base sample" for the cloning process. That's what Jango said to Obi-wan.

That gives the hint that the cloning job was ordered by the same person...Dooku, under the disguise of Sifo-Dyas.

It's also logical that he was the one who erased the location of Kamino from the archives, since only a jedi could have done it.

While I do agree with you that Dooku ordered the creation of the clone army, I have to disagree on him erasing the location of Kamino. He left the order, and I'm sure people would noticed him.

I think Mace is a trader, and he erased its location. Seriously, the more I watch Aotc, and pay attention to Mace, the more I notice little things that make me distrust Mace. I got my eye on you, you BMF. Of course I could be completely wrong.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-09-29 09:10am

The Kaminoans would know better than to not use Standard years.

Why? They are an insular and isolated people who deal in grey market clone armies. Why would they neccessarily care what Obi-Wan though, especially if the difference is not too huge. It would be easy enough for them to make mistake, too.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-29 09:14am

Read Utsanomiko's post above responding to Simon.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-29 11:08am

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Also, the Kaminoans aren't so isolated as they are nearly unknown of by most citizens of the Galaxy, because they prefer to be secretive.

Doesn't this require an extent of isolation??

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-29 12:46pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Also, the Kaminoans aren't so isolated as they are nearly unknown of by most citizens of the Galaxy, because they prefer to be secretive.
Doesn't this require an extent of isolation??

What? I don't understand what you're saying.

Just because they keep to themselves doesn't mean that they're isolated to a severe extent. I still don't see any reason why to think that they wouldn't know Standard timekeeping.

Also consider the fact that they've been in charge of training those clones for the past ten years.