Final Prophecy Review

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-01 01:26am

This thread will obviously contain spoilers

In terms of quality, its about on par with Rebirth. Short book, just a bit over 300 pages. Most of it is discussion and exposition setting up for the conclusion to come in the Unifying Force. Couple of well known characters die, and a few interesting tech and society notes (EG TIE Defenders appear to be the standard fighter of the IR, I'll see about typing them up after I read Monsterous Regiment HDS).

Overall setup conclusion seems to be that Zenoma Sekot is the Vong homeworld, or that it is the homeworld of the species that gave them all their tech. The implication in this book is the former, but not so when you consider all the evidence; the statements in Hero's Trial that there is no evidence that a society as large as the Vongs came from the GFFA, that they have only been traveling for ~1000 years between the void, what the Writers guide that comes with the VP ebook says... I currently suspect that the group that gave them the tech was kicked out by the centerpoint or Maw aliens (or one of them might have been the group that got kicked out, never know) based of the fact that the legend says the galaxy with a living planet will defeat them and they should not approach it.

Overall, a kinda forgettable book, with the exception of the revelation on page 300. I'm not gonna share it here; it really has nothing to do with the plot, but if that gets spoiled it robs that passage of all its impact. That bit really hit home for me.

Conclusion: Ok, but check it out from your local library.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-10-05 07:06am

What happens to the Imperial Remanent ?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-05 10:07am

evilcat4000 wrote:What happens to the Imperial Remanent ?

Still fighting, they contribute a major fleet

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-10-05 01:52pm

Ender wrote:Overall setup conclusion seems to be that Zenoma Sekot is the Vong homeworld, or that it is the homeworld of the species that gave them all their tech. The implication in this book is the former, but not so when you consider all the evidence; the statements in Hero's Trial that there is no evidence that a society as large as the Vongs came from the GFFA, that they have only been traveling for ~1000 years between the void, what the Writers guide that comes with the VP ebook says... I currently suspect that the group that gave them the tech was kicked out by the centerpoint or Maw aliens (or one of them might have been the group that got kicked out, never know) based of the fact that the legend says the galaxy with a living planet will defeat them and they should not approach it.

Zenoma Sekot is the topic of focus of Bear's book Living Planet (prequel era). The Vong scouted it pre-Clone War, but it is not their homeworld. There was another race living there (don't recall much, the book was forgettable), that specialized in creating bio-weapons (such as biological starships).

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2003-10-05 04:15pm

The Dark wrote:
Ender wrote:Overall setup conclusion seems to be that Zenoma Sekot is the Vong homeworld, or that it is the homeworld of the species that gave them all their tech. The implication in this book is the former, but not so when you consider all the evidence; the statements in Hero's Trial that there is no evidence that a society as large as the Vongs came from the GFFA, that they have only been traveling for ~1000 years between the void, what the Writers guide that comes with the VP ebook says... I currently suspect that the group that gave them the tech was kicked out by the centerpoint or Maw aliens (or one of them might have been the group that got kicked out, never know) based of the fact that the legend says the galaxy with a living planet will defeat them and they should not approach it.
Zenoma Sekot is the topic of focus of Bear's book Living Planet (prequel era). The Vong scouted it pre-Clone War, but it is not their homeworld. There was another race living there (don't recall much, the book was forgettable), that specialized in creating bio-weapons (such as biological starships).

i thought it was called Rouge planet?

Agent R · Post by **Agent R** » 2003-10-05 05:00pm

antitrek wrote:
The Dark wrote:
Ender wrote:Overall setup conclusion seems to be that Zenoma Sekot is the Vong homeworld, or that it is the homeworld of the species that gave them all their tech. The implication in this book is the former, but not so when you consider all the evidence; the statements in Hero's Trial that there is no evidence that a society as large as the Vongs came from the GFFA, that they have only been traveling for ~1000 years between the void, what the Writers guide that comes with the VP ebook says... I currently suspect that the group that gave them the tech was kicked out by the centerpoint or Maw aliens (or one of them might have been the group that got kicked out, never know) based of the fact that the legend says the galaxy with a living planet will defeat them and they should not approach it.
Zenoma Sekot is the topic of focus of Bear's book Living Planet (prequel era). The Vong scouted it pre-Clone War, but it is not their homeworld. There was another race living there (don't recall much, the book was forgettable), that specialized in creating bio-weapons (such as biological starships).

i thought it was called Rouge planet?

That's Rogue Planet. The Ferroans living there weren't native, but were colonists from someplace, and they didn't make bio-weapons, just the bio-ships. IIRC, a lot of the ships were unarmed and had to fight off Tarkin's taskforce by ramming whatever came into the atmosphere.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-05 05:13pm

Zenoma Sekot is the Vong homeworld

That would be a nice wrap up. The will of the Force put them both in the same galaxy.

Luke: "There, we found your homeworld, now get the hell off ours"
Paellon (aside to Han): "Good thing we got that new Death Star working"
Han: "Just don't tell any of the Jedi, they get touchy about that kind of thing"
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JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-06 09:47pm

Overall I enjoyed it a great deal; in any event, I am GREATLY looking forward to the grand finale next month.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-10-06 11:00pm

gah, Final Prophecy is out? I haven't completely read Force Heretic III.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-10-06 11:18pm

I own every NJO book, but I'm thinking of skipping this one. It sounds like another one of those pointless filler books (Dark Journey, Rebirth) where nothing fucking happens.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-10-07 12:09am

I speculate that Onimi is controlling the entire Vong race through Shimrra (I suspect he's a Force user as well as a usurper and has his own agendas) and that he somehow oversaw the implementation of this "immunity to the Force" bullshit.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-07 01:12am

Connor MacLeod wrote:I speculate that Onimi is controlling the entire Vong race through Shimrra (I suspect he's a Force user as well as a usurper and has his own agendas) and that he somehow oversaw the implementation of this "immunity to the Force" bullshit.

You could be very right; the scene involving Shimrra and his jester at the end of 'Destiny's Way' do support this.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-07 05:32am

It sucks as a book, but at least what they say makes sense.

And will someone just fucking kill Nom Anor?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-10-07 08:04am

When will they remove the Vong once and for all and bring back the Imperials ?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-07 10:07am

Darth Fanboy wrote:And will someone just fucking kill Nom Anor?

If all goes well, that will hopefully happen before the last page of 'The Unifying Force'. He's been a wonderful villain, but nothing lasts forever...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-07 07:10pm

evilcat4000 wrote:When will they remove the Vong once and for all and bring back the Imperials ?

THe Imperials will be on the rise again after this ludicrous series is over. As they will be reclaiming territory they previously owned

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-07 07:43pm

JME2 wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:And will someone just fucking kill Nom Anor?
If all goes well, that will hopefully happen before the last page of 'The Unifying Force'. He's been a wonderful villain, but nothing lasts forever...

He was a saving grace of the earlier books until this whole "Yu'Shaa" bit came up. Now he just needs to be found and killed

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-07 08:21pm

Note: I have not read Final Prophecy yet

I ...
have a feeling that Nom Anor will either--
be killed by Shimmira, causing a massive Shamed Ones rebellion
be killed by Shimmira in an act that saves a Jedi (Mara would be ironic)
survives and takes the Vong to Zenoma Sekot

See the the 'GFFA' shattering into several nation states, starting the next phase of Star wars: Vicious territorial fighting with the Jedi and Rebel heroes caught in the middle
(i.e Rebel-loyalist such as Mon Calamari, various worlds that will change aligences, probably the Corellia Sector, the Corperate Sector, the Hapes Cluster probably allied to the Rebel Loyalist, the Chiss, what's left of the Hutts)

See Lumiya showing up after the NJO, kidnapping Ben Skywalker, and probably killing Mara (and maybe Leia and Jaina) and baiting Luke to go after her so she can finish him off and take over with the Jedi in disarray with the rest of the galaxy
(it would be the perfect time for Lumiya to do it)

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-07 10:34pm

Solauren wrote:Note: I have not read Final Prophecy yet

I ...
have a feeling that Nom Anor will either--
be killed by Shimmira, causing a massive Shamed Ones rebellion
be killed by Shimmira in an act that saves a Jedi (Mara would be ironic)
survives and takes the Vong to Zenoma Sekot

Some of thesebeliefs of yours will not survive I think after actually reading the book.

See the the 'GFFA' shattering into several nation states, starting the next phase of Star wars: Vicious territorial fighting with the Jedi and Rebel heroes caught in the middle
(i.e Rebel-loyalist such as Mon Calamari, various worlds that will change aligences, probably the Corellia Sector, the Corperate Sector, the Hapes Cluster probably allied to the Rebel Loyalist, the Chiss, what's left of the Hutts)

You mean like the New Republic was, especially around the time of the HoT Duology, also, how do you think the Chiss will be involved in the territorial fighting when they have never done so before at the peak of their strength.

See Lumiya showing up after the NJO, kidnapping Ben Skywalker, and probably killing Mara (and maybe Leia and Jaina) and baiting Luke to go after her so she can finish him off and take over with the Jedi in disarray with the rest of the galaxy
(it would be the perfect time for Lumiya to do it)

God I hope not, if so I will burn every EU book I own. Fortunately I doubt Lumiya ever being mentioned in the EU novels proper and hopefully ever again. It would ruin the EU.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-10-08 02:06am

Who is Lumiya?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-08 02:32am

Crown wrote:Who is Lumiya?

from the old old Days of the EU, a former Emperors hand who IIRC was partof that whole Rebel Alliance/Nagai/Tofs scrumfest that occurred after Endor.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-10-08 02:41am

She wasn't the mother of that psyco kid that turned up on Coruscant during the NJO was she?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-08 04:32am

Crown wrote:She wasn't the mother of that psyco kid that turned up on Coruscant during the NJO was she?

No, I cant Remember her name off the top of my head (Ismaren?), but she was killed.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-10-08 05:38am

Also just to add the DF's description...Luke's first red-headed all around can do it all girlfriend(Basically think Mara Jade ver 1)...who betrays him.

Actually was a decent Marvel SW story arc.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-08 05:57am

Ghost Rider wrote:Also just to add the DF's description...Luke's first red-headed all around can do it all girlfriend(Basically think Mara Jade ver 1)...who betrays him.

Actually was a decent Marvel SW story arc.

Lumiya posing as a Rebel Pilot plus the way she betrayed Luke was a great idea now that u mention it, but the Nagai/Tofs thing was absurd to me.

It is rumored (so Ive heard) that Lumiya was the mother of Carnor Jax. Hnece his tremendous ability in the force.

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