Clone Wars Cartoon Revelations (Spoilers)

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-18 04:34pm

According to Cartoon Network's episode summaries, there will be a battle on Mon Calamari, apparantly with the Confederates already holding it when the Republic comes to liberate it.

This just further mucks up the Mon Cal history. It looks to me more and more that we have to scrap the idea of them being discovered by the Empire, or at least bend over backwards to properly interpret that notion. I mean, there are Quarren on the streets of Mos Espa in EI, the ItWoEI shows the Senatorial offices of the Mon Cal representatives, now it turns out that there was a Battle of Mon Calamari in the Clone Wars...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-18 04:38pm

Mon Calmari voluntarily joind the CIS from the beginning. Now the Republic is coming to "liberate" it... interesting how they are showing the propaganda methods.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-18 05:42pm

A Mon Calamari commander led the CIS assault on Kamino.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-18 05:52pm

Hm. We know that the Mon Cal representative who joined the CIS in AOTC was a Quarren...IP, was the Mon Cal leading the assault on Kamino a Quarren or a Mon Cal?

Saxton presents a few hypotheses on the matter.

(and look! my name is on the thanks list of that page!) /ego stroking

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-18 05:54pm

Mon Calamari.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-18 06:05pm

Heavens to Betsy. Well, what do y'all think? I guess we just push back the date at which they were "discovered," such that they were known prior to the Confederacy. Interestingly enough, the WOTC RPG indicates that several main Prequel-era characters can speak and/or write Mon Cal. This might be indicative of an even more established society.
Perhaps the original information was simply wrong, and they actually have been established in Galactic society for quite a long time.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-10-18 06:08pm

I did hear that GL has had little to no involvement in the project, essentially directing them to use a Sith villain and thats all he expected from it. With that said are we going to look at it as a historical record of the actual clone wars or more like the Ewok movies or Holiday special?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-18 06:11pm

Stravo wrote:I did hear that GL has had little to no involvement in the project, essentially directing them to use a Sith villain and thats all he expected from it. With that said are we going to look at it as a historical record of the actual clone wars or more like the Ewok movies or Holiday special?

Regardless, there are Quarren in EI and EII, and there is a Mon Cal delegation at the Senate in EI, and Mon Cal did secede from the Republic in EII. These things are part of the canon, cartoon or no.

The question isn't whether or not the cartoon is authoritative, but rather, how much of the original claim (that Mon Cal was discovered by the Empire) do we believe?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-18 06:12pm

"Retro-active rediscovery," maybe?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-10-18 06:15pm

Pretty easy to explain. Rebel propaganda.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-10-18 06:18pm

Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-18 06:19pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:"Retro-active rediscovery," maybe?

Maybe. I guess we'll have to wait and see, because we don't really know the outcome of the Battle of Mon Calamari. Though from what I gather it goes like this:

Master Fisto and his amphibious clone troopers arrive on Mon Cal and engage the Confederate Navy. Mon Cals riding seahorses help the Jedi out. Fisto's troops drive the rebs away.

It's interesting that the Mon Cals appear to be helping the Republic, although they did secede. Either those natives who help the Jedi are rebelling against the ruling secessionists, or perhaps the Mon Cals only seceeded because they were threatened by the CIS, and now they're showing their true colors.
Either way, Fisto survives, since he's cast in EIII.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-10-19 04:16am

Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-10-19 01:13pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.
Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

Because they touch themselves at night.

Shaidar Haran · Post by **Shaidar Haran** » 2003-10-19 04:04pm

Durran Korr wrote:Pretty easy to explain. Rebel propaganda.

Or a creative re-dating. After all, the Alliance might well date the "Empire" from the moment Palpatine assumed his emergency powers and effectively became a dictator (in the old Roman sense). It's possible they use the date the Republic effectively ended rather than the date at which Palpatine formally declared the New Order.

Given that George Lucas has used the end of the Roman Republic as a model of sorts that's not an unreasonable assumption.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-19 04:26pm

We just got done saying there were Calamari citizens represented in the Episode I Senate. That doesn't work.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-20 01:06am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.
Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

Two incidents (actually one, since it was just suggested that Calimari might have been) do not a "usually" make...

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-20 11:38am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.
Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?
Two incidents (actually one, since it was just suggested that Calimari might have been) do not a "usually" make...

Two cases out of two were inhabitated by an aqautic species. Do we have any other examples of this happening? No that i can think of.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-10-20 01:44pm

Shaidar Haran wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Pretty easy to explain. Rebel propaganda.
Or a creative re-dating. After all, the Alliance might well date the "Empire" from the moment Palpatine assumed his emergency powers and effectively became a dictator (in the old Roman sense). It's possible they use the date the Republic effectively ended rather than the date at which Palpatine formally declared the New Order.

Given that George Lucas has used the end of the Roman Republic as a model of sorts that's not an unreasonable assumption.

Or they are refuring to the date that the Empire occupied the planet effectivily bringing the Empire to the Mon Cal's. The Mon Cal's after the Clone Wars could have pulled into their shells and left the galactic comunity to be "rediscovered" by the Empire as a nice slave labor force with built in technical skills and due to their pacifist nature they were easy to suppress. It has been establish many times that the Clone Wars caused alot of planets and systems to drop off the map for various reasons.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-10-20 01:46pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.
Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?
Because they touch themselves at night.

I hope you're referring to the people maintaining the star-maps, as the Kaminoans are one of the most asexual species this side of hermaphroditism.

In case you AREN't....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! The mental imagery of that!

Ingersoll · Post by **Ingersoll** » 2003-10-20 01:57pm

"It's a trap!"

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-10-20 02:18pm

Ingersoll wrote: "It's a trap!"

(takes a peek at my scans of illustrations depicting Ysanne Isard and Mara Jade)

Aahhh, that's better!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-20 02:30pm

Are you done...?

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2003-10-22 04:39pm

When in Episode II did Mon Cal secede from the Republic? I don't recall seeing or hearing that.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-10-22 05:09pm

Yet another reason why the EU books and such should not be considered canon.