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According to Cartoon Network's episode summaries, there will be a battle on Mon Calamari, apparantly with the Confederates already holding it when the Republic comes to liberate it.

This just further mucks up the Mon Cal history. It looks to me more and more that we have to scrap the idea of them being discovered by the Empire, or at least bend over backwards to properly interpret that notion. I mean, there are Quarren on the streets of Mos Espa in EI, the ItWoEI shows the Senatorial offices of the Mon Cal representatives, now it turns out that there was a Battle of Mon Calamari in the Clone Wars...

Mon Calmari voluntarily joind the CIS from the beginning. Now the Republic is coming to "liberate" it... interesting how they are showing the propaganda methods.

A Mon Calamari commander led the CIS assault on Kamino.

Hm. We know that the Mon Cal representative who joined the CIS in AOTC was a Quarren...IP, was the Mon Cal leading the assault on Kamino a Quarren or a Mon Cal?

Saxton presents a few hypotheses on the matter.

(and look! my name is on the thanks list of that page!) /ego stroking

Mon Calamari.

Heavens to Betsy. Well, what do y'all think? I guess we just push back the date at which they were "discovered," such that they were known prior to the Confederacy. Interestingly enough, the WOTC RPG indicates that several main Prequel-era characters can speak and/or write Mon Cal. This might be indicative of an even more established society.
Perhaps the original information was simply wrong, and they actually have been established in Galactic society for quite a long time.

I did hear that GL has had little to no involvement in the project, essentially directing them to use a Sith villain and thats all he expected from it. With that said are we going to look at it as a historical record of the actual clone wars or more like the Ewok movies or Holiday special?

Stravo wrote:I did hear that GL has had little to no involvement in the project, essentially directing them to use a Sith villain and thats all he expected from it. With that said are we going to look at it as a historical record of the actual clone wars or more like the Ewok movies or Holiday special?

Regardless, there are Quarren in EI and EII, and there is a Mon Cal delegation at the Senate in EI, and Mon Cal did secede from the Republic in EII. These things are part of the canon, cartoon or no.

The question isn't whether or not the cartoon is authoritative, but rather, how much of the original claim (that Mon Cal was discovered by the Empire) do we believe?

"Retro-active rediscovery," maybe?

Pretty easy to explain. Rebel propaganda.

Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:"Retro-active rediscovery," maybe?

Maybe. I guess we'll have to wait and see, because we don't really know the outcome of the Battle of Mon Calamari. Though from what I gather it goes like this:

Master Fisto and his amphibious clone troopers arrive on Mon Cal and engage the Confederate Navy. Mon Cals riding seahorses help the Jedi out. Fisto's troops drive the rebs away.

It's interesting that the Mon Cals appear to be helping the Republic, although they did secede. Either those natives who help the Jedi are rebelling against the ruling secessionists, or perhaps the Mon Cals only seceeded because they were threatened by the CIS, and now they're showing their true colors.
Either way, Fisto survives, since he's cast in EIII.

Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

Simon H.Johansen wrote:

Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

Because they touch themselves at night.

Durran Korr wrote:Pretty easy to explain. Rebel propaganda.

Or a creative re-dating. After all, the Alliance might well date the "Empire" from the moment Palpatine assumed his emergency powers and effectively became a dictator (in the old Roman sense). It's possible they use the date the Republic effectively ended rather than the date at which Palpatine formally declared the New Order.

Given that George Lucas has used the end of the Roman Republic as a model of sorts that's not an unreasonable assumption.

We just got done saying there were Calamari citizens represented in the Episode I Senate. That doesn't work.

Simon H.Johansen wrote:

Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

Two incidents (actually one, since it was just suggested that Calimari might have been) do not a "usually" make...

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Simon H.Johansen wrote:

Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

Two incidents (actually one, since it was just suggested that Calimari might have been) do not a "usually" make...

Two cases out of two were inhabitated by an aqautic species. Do we have any other examples of this happening? No that i can think of.

Shaidar Haran wrote:

Durran Korr wrote:Pretty easy to explain. Rebel propaganda.

Or a creative re-dating. After all, the Alliance might well date the "Empire" from the moment Palpatine assumed his emergency powers and effectively became a dictator (in the old Roman sense). It's possible they use the date the Republic effectively ended rather than the date at which Palpatine formally declared the New Order.

Given that George Lucas has used the end of the Roman Republic as a model of sorts that's not an unreasonable assumption.

Or they are refuring to the date that the Empire occupied the planet effectivily bringing the Empire to the Mon Cal's. The Mon Cal's after the Clone Wars could have pulled into their shells and left the galactic comunity to be "rediscovered" by the Empire as a nice slave labor force with built in technical skills and due to their pacifist nature they were easy to suppress. It has been establish many times that the Clone Wars caused alot of planets and systems to drop off the map for various reasons.

DPDarkPrimus wrote:

Simon H.Johansen wrote:

Aya wrote:Maybe the planets coordinates were erased from all starmaps. It happened with Kamino.

Why do this usually happen to planets whose inhabitants are aquatic?

Because they touch themselves at night.

I hope you're referring to the people maintaining the star-maps, as the Kaminoans are one of the most asexual species this side of hermaphroditism.

In case you AREN't....


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! The mental imagery of that!

"It's a trap!"

Ingersoll wrote: "It's a trap!"

(takes a peek at my scans of illustrations depicting Ysanne Isard and Mara Jade)


Aahhh, that's better!

Are you done...?

When in Episode II did Mon Cal secede from the Republic? I don't recall seeing or hearing that.

Yet another reason why the EU books and such should not be considered canon.