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if the OT was filmed today...

Posted: 2003-10-28 01:14am
by Jason von Evil
Who would play Luke, Leia, Han and the rest? Also, what would the fight scenes be like? Just imagine the Vader vs Luke fights done today. :shock:

Anyways, I'll post my choices later.

Posted: 2003-10-28 02:05am
by Dillon
I honestly cannot picture the major OT characters as looking any different, and therefore are having a hard time thinking of any modern actors who could play them.

About the fight scenes, why would they necessarily be different?

In ANH, we have Vader, who is weighed down by that bulky suit, and Obi-Wan, who is obviously old, and not as agile as he once was. If you watch closely in TPM, you'll notice Obi-Wan was a lot quicker and agile than Qui-Gon. (especially near the end of the fight, when Obi-Wan is fighting Maul one on one)

In TESB, we have Vader again, who is wearing heavy, clunky armour, and Luke who is pretty much having his first light sabre duel, and has only known about hos force abilities for three years, and has had no one to instruct him. Not to mention the fact that Vader is very strong in regards to his force powers, and was no doubt holding him down.

Same thing applies to ROTJ, except Luke is a bit more prepared.

Posted: 2003-10-28 04:51am
by Jason von Evil
I'd definatly change the materials used to make Vaders costume to lighter ones. That way, the guy who has to wear it doesn't end up with back and knee problems.

But yeah, it would be hard to replace Hamil, Fisher, Ford and the rest. This does bring up another problem though, there's no way could make a post OT trilogy based on the Thrawn novels or SoTE, because all the mentioned actors/actress are pushing fifty.

Posted: 2003-10-28 05:11am
by Robert Treder
Denzel Washington would make a great Han Solo.

Posted: 2003-10-28 05:53am
by Darth Fanboy
observer_20000 wrote:I honestly cannot picture the major OT characters as looking any different, and therefore are having a hard time thinking of any modern actors who could play them.

About the fight scenes, why would they necessarily be different?

In ANH, we have Vader, who is weighed down by that bulky suit, and Obi-Wan, who is obviously old, and not as agile as he once was. If you watch closely in TPM, you'll notice Obi-Wan was a lot quicker and agile than Qui-Gon. (especially near the end of the fight, when Obi-Wan is fighting Maul one on one)

In TESB, we have Vader again, who is wearing heavy, clunky armour, and Luke who is pretty much having his first light sabre duel, and has only known about hos force abilities for three years, and has had no one to instruct him. Not to mention the fact that Vader is very strong in regards to his force powers, and was no doubt holding him down.

Same thing applies to ROTJ, except Luke is a bit more prepared.
So Older Jedi arent as agile as they once were? THen dare i say what the fuck was Yoda doing in AoTC? :D

I dont think you're right on this one observer, those battles would be different because of the limitations and standards for 1970s films were different than they are now.

(by standards I mean in terms ofpresentation quality, films such as the Matrix have set the new standard)

Posted: 2003-10-28 05:56am
by Darth Fanboy
Aya wrote: But yeah, it would be hard to replace Hamil, Fisher, Ford and the rest. This does bring up another problem though, there's no way could make a post OT trilogy based on the Thrawn novels or SoTE, because all the mentioned actors/actress are pushing fifty.
Nitpicks:

Total CGI with Voice Actors?

Harrison Ford is 70 (further proves yer point :P)

If we wait long enough, say 25 years or so, does it matter wether or not its the original actors for a sequel trilogy?

Posted: 2003-10-28 05:57am
by Dillon
Darth Fanboy wrote:snip
True, when Yoda and Dooku fought, they were very quick and agile, but remember that they are both unusually powerful. Obi-Wan is never stated to be exceptionally powerful.

Posted: 2003-10-28 06:46am
by Darth Fanboy
But both Vader and Obi Wan are more powerful due to their increased experience in the force.

Posted: 2003-10-28 06:57am
by 2000AD
The Han-Greedo would probably escalate into a full shootout therefor eliminating the "Who shot first" argument.

Posted: 2003-10-28 07:02am
by Dillon
He no doubt is more knowledgable of the force in ANH than he was in TPM and AOTC, but the fact remains that he's quite old, which is probably why you never see him do back flips or any other of that super agile moves you saw him perform in TPM. Notice how Qui-Gon isn't nearly as agile?

IIRC, the TPM novelization even mentions Qui-Gon tiring rather quickly while fighting Maul, as a result of age. Unfortunately, I don't have the book on hand, so I am unable to provide an exact quote.

Posted: 2003-10-28 07:23am
by Darth Fanboy
observer_20000 wrote:He no doubt is more knowledgable of the force in ANH than he was in TPM and AOTC, but the fact remains that he's quite old, which is probably why you never see him do back flips or any other of that super agile moves you saw him perform in TPM. Notice how Qui-Gon isn't nearly as agile?
Did he need to do a back flip or perform any of these fancy moves? Vader and Obi Wan didn't even seem to get into any really intense fighting. Obi Wan knew he was going to die as soon as he encountered Vader on the Death Star. it seemed like Obi Wan was just holding off waiting to die in front of Luke.

And when it comes to those "flashy moves" I think that the reason you don't see those in the OT is more along the lines of the limitations they had as opposed to a lack of power. Darth Vader doesnt perform any flashy moves but is certainly much more powerful than ever before when he duels Obi Wan on the Death Star.

Re: if the OT was filmed today...

Posted: 2003-10-28 09:51am
by Peregrin Toker
Aya wrote:Who would play Luke, Leia, Han and the rest?
I can imagine Tarkin being played by Jeremy Irons...

Re: if the OT was filmed today...

Posted: 2003-10-28 01:22pm
by Iceberg
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Aya wrote:Who would play Luke, Leia, Han and the rest?
I can imagine Tarkin being played by Jeremy Irons...
Will he have a creepy sidekick played by Bruce Payne with blue lipstick?

Re: if the OT was filmed today...

Posted: 2003-10-28 02:35pm
by Companion Cube
Aya wrote:Who would play Luke, Leia, Han and the rest? Also, what would the fight scenes be like? Just imagine the Vader vs Luke fights done today. :shock:

Anyways, I'll post my choices later.
Well, you could make the battle of Hoth in TESB look a hell of a lot better...*drool*

Re: if the OT was filmed today...

Posted: 2003-10-28 02:36pm
by Peregrin Toker
Iceberg wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Aya wrote:Who would play Luke, Leia, Han and the rest?
I can imagine Tarkin being played by Jeremy Irons...
Will he have a creepy sidekick played by Bruce Payne with blue lipstick?
Do not ever remind us D&D players of that movie.

Posted: 2003-10-28 04:11pm
by Dillon
Darth Fanboy wrote:And when it comes to those "flashy moves" I think that the reason you don't see those in the OT is more along the lines of the limitations they had as opposed to a lack of power. Darth Vader doesnt perform any flashy moves but is certainly much more powerful than ever before when he duels Obi Wan on the Death Star.
He is powerful, but he has his limits. That armour certainly isn't light. (I don't recall where, but I remember reading his armour was made of Durasteel :shock:)

I even remember George Lucas saying in the EPII commentary (at beginning the re-release of the SE trilogy), that TPM was meant to show us what Jedi really fought like, and that in the OT, we didn't because of the reasons I've been stating.

Sure, the technology was limited at the time, and if they'd wanted to make fight scenes like the ones in TPM and AOTC, they couldn't have. But they could have been more agile than they were, they were purposefully made like that. Stunt doubles did exist in 1977.

Why do you think George Lucas didn't touch the Light sabre duels at all in the SE?

Posted: 2003-10-28 05:25pm
by The Dark
Plus, the OT lightsaber duels were based at least partially off longsword fighting (I recognize some of the stances and moves). The new movies appear to be more Eastern-combat style oriented.
Darth Fanboy wrote:But both Vader and Obi Wan are more powerful due to their increased experience in the force.
Remember, Yoda is ~900 even at the time of AotC. He's got easily 10 times the experience Obi-Wan ever has. And Vader's armor likely restricted him from making the extremely agile moves of TPM and AotC Jedi. Additionally, it's likely that neither has kept in training with their lightsabers, as Vader tends to rely on Force powers, and Obi-Wan's been in hiding for decades.

Posted: 2003-10-28 10:56pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
If it was made today, there would probably be better special effects, and ungodly amounts of CGI. So much, in fact, that Bea Arthur would be cast as Princess Leia and digital enchancment would make her look younger until nobody could tell the difference.

I could imagine that there probably would be different-looking actors, as well.

Posted: 2003-10-29 12:59am
by Darth Fanboy
The Dark wrote:Remember, Yoda is ~900 even at the time of AotC. He's got easily 10 times the experience Obi-Wan ever has. And Vader's armor likely restricted him from making the extremely agile moves of TPM and AotC Jedi. Additionally, it's likely that neither has kept in training with their lightsabers, as Vader tends to rely on Force powers, and Obi-Wan's been in hiding for decades.
Well Regarding Obi Wan you might be right, I think you will see that his skills from AoTC to Episode III will be improved and then he probably doesnt get much bette rin terms of combat after that.

Darth Vader though does keep up with his lightsaber training if you use EU examples such as Shadows of the Empire. He keeps a fair supply of powerful combat droids that would kill a normal man with no effort at all, Vader takes on two of these at once just to let off steam.

EDIT: I dont know how much you cant count comics either but Vader has incredible moves depicted there as well, especially in his battle against the revived Darth Maul.

Posted: 2003-10-29 01:48am
by Dillon
Darth Fanboy wrote:
The Dark wrote:Remember, Yoda is ~900 even at the time of AotC. He's got easily 10 times the experience Obi-Wan ever has. And Vader's armor likely restricted him from making the extremely agile moves of TPM and AotC Jedi. Additionally, it's likely that neither has kept in training with their lightsabers, as Vader tends to rely on Force powers, and Obi-Wan's been in hiding for decades.
Well Regarding Obi Wan you might be right, I think you will see that his skills from AoTC to Episode III will be improved and then he probably doesnt get much bette rin terms of combat after that.

Darth Vader though does keep up with his lightsaber training if you use EU examples such as Shadows of the Empire. He keeps a fair supply of powerful combat droids that would kill a normal man with no effort at all, Vader takes on two of these at once just to let off steam.

EDIT: I dont know how much you cant count comics either but Vader has incredible moves depicted there as well, especially in his battle against the revived Darth Maul.
IIRC, comics aren't even official, I think I remember something being said on the official site about how they should be thought of as an "alternate universe."

Posted: 2003-10-29 01:55am
by Ghost Rider
observer_20000 wrote:
IIRC, comics aren't even official, I think I remember something being said on the official site about how they should be thought of as an "alternate universe."
That's for comics with the Infinites label slapped onto them.

No Infinites...they are fair game.

Posted: 2003-10-29 02:24am
by Dillon
Ghost Rider wrote:
observer_20000 wrote:
IIRC, comics aren't even official, I think I remember something being said on the official site about how they should be thought of as an "alternate universe."
That's for comics with the Infinites label slapped onto them.

No Infinites...they are fair game.
Okay...

Can anyone describe these feats that Vader supposedly performed while fighting Maul?

Posted: 2003-10-29 02:45am
by Ghost Rider
observer_20000 wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
observer_20000 wrote:
IIRC, comics aren't even official, I think I remember something being said on the official site about how they should be thought of as an "alternate universe."
That's for comics with the Infinites label slapped onto them.

No Infinites...they are fair game.
Okay...

Can anyone describe these feats that Vader supposedly performed while fighting Maul?
the problem was that comic was an Infinite :wink:

He was flipping a bit and did some decent jumps and what not.

Re: if the OT was filmed today...

Posted: 2003-10-29 04:09am
by Uraniun235
3rd Impact wrote:Well, you could make the battle of Hoth in TESB look a hell of a lot better...*drool*
You *could*, but I wouldn't be surprised if a modern filming would create a battle more similar to AOTC.

Posted: 2003-10-29 04:41am
by Robert Treder
Here's my casting call:

IV

Luke Skywalker: Jeremy Davies
Han Solo: Denzel Washington
Princess Leia Organa: Rachel Weisz
Grand Moff Tarkin: Kenneth Branagh
Ben Kenobi: Daniel Day-Lewis
Wedge: Christian Bale

V

Lando Calrissian: Brad Pitt
Admiral Piett: Guy Pierce
General Veers: Forest Whitaker
Admiral Ozzel: F. Murray Abraham
Captain Needa: Alan Arkin
General Rieekan: Ed Harris

VI

The Emperor: Ian Holm
Moff Jerjerrod: David Hyde Pierce
General Madine: Russel Crowe
Mon Mothma: Olivia Williams