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How did they get from Hoth to Bespin in the MF without a hyperdrive, couldn't have been time dilation because Lando would have been dead when they got there.

The two systems are very near, and they spent several weeks in transit, in the MF time-frame, while for the rest of the Universe several months elapsed, just enough time for Luke to be trained in the Jedi ways.

Shrykull wrote:How did they get from Hoth to Bespin in the MF without a hyperdrive, couldn't have been time dilation because Lando would have been dead when they got there.

It could have been a few light months away.

Not that its your fault, but not again.

Anyway, down to buisness. The MF toured the Hoth system extensively until it attached itself to the Avenger. The Avenger returned to the main fleet which could have spread out into the outer reaches of the system or even the next couple of systems searching for the MF.

IIRC, Vader ordered to 'calculate all know destinations along their last trajectory' so the main fleet might have spread out into other systems to seach for them. Opinion but plausable.

When the Avenger reached the fleet and Captain Needa shuttled over to the Executor we didn't see any asteroids so its possible that the Executor was no longer in the Hoth system and was already in the Anoat system, since after they dropped off of the Avenger Leia asked where they were and Han replied, "...in the Anoat sytem."

So its in my opinion that they got a free ride into the Anoat system, the system that Bespin is in (IMNSHO) and crept in towards the planet Bespin taking a couple weeks if not a month or so to do it, coincidently giving Luke enough time to get a crash course in Jedi training.

Knife wrote: So its in my opinion that they got a free ride into the Anoat system, the system that Bespin is in (IMNSHO) and crept in towards the planet Bespin taking a couple weeks if not a month or so to do it, coincidently giving Luke enough time to get a crash course in Jedi training.

What despite hte fact its standard impreiel procedure to dump your garabge before jumping to hyperspace. TRhe avenger might have noticed if their garabge hadn't been dumped.

I doubt emptying the garbage is a high priority when your under orders from Vader. I imagine it can take upwards of a few minutes to evacuate the processed garbage so while on a high priority chase across a Star System standard procedure goes out the window.

Crazedwraith wrote:
What despite hte fact its standard impreiel procedure to dump your garabge before jumping to hyperspace. TRhe avenger might have noticed if their garabge hadn't been dumped.

I doubt that SOP's in regular operations is the exact same as SOP's durring search and destroy combat operations.

You don't dump thrash overboard durring general quarters.

I wonder why they even dump their trash? why not recycle it? I mean after all they are making more debris fields that they might hit while in hyperspace. Plus there is the whole thing about an enemy using it like Han did. It was alot of metal and such that the Avenger dumped that could have been easily recycled. It is not like storage room is a problem either, after all the stuff can be stored in cargo bays as the bays are emptied from their useful supplies.

Death from the Sea wrote:I wonder why they even dump their trash? why not recycle it? I mean after all they are making more debris fields that they might hit while in hyperspace. Plus there is the whole thing about an enemy using it like Han did. It was alot of metal and such that the Avenger dumped that could have been easily recycled. It is not like storage room is a problem either, after all the stuff can be stored in cargo bays as the bays are emptied from their useful supplies.

I would guess that some items are cheaper or easier to just buy and replace rather than keep and recycle. Not the best answer, but....

According to WEG material most ships with hyperdrives have what are called backup hyperdrives.

They are one shot, much slower, and short ranged. That is what han used to make it to Cloud City.

And we have the similar problem of how the Royal Yatch got from Naboo to Tatooine with it's hyperdrive busted.

Knife wrote:

Death from the Sea wrote:I wonder why they even dump their trash? why not recycle it? I mean after all they are making more debris fields that they might hit while in hyperspace. Plus there is the whole thing about an enemy using it like Han did. It was alot of metal and such that the Avenger dumped that could have been easily recycled. It is not like storage room is a problem either, after all the stuff can be stored in cargo bays as the bays are emptied from their useful supplies.

I would guess that some items are cheaper or easier to just buy and replace rather than keep and recycle. Not the best answer, but....

Actually, it's a perfectly reasonable answer. We through away a bunch of stuff now days that could easily be recycled if it were economically viable. Not to mention that this is a military warship not a transport, hauling back what amounts to cheap junk isn't exactly a high priority for them.

Stormbringer wrote:

Knife wrote:

Death from the Sea wrote:I wonder why they even dump their trash? why not recycle it? I mean after all they are making more debris fields that they might hit while in hyperspace. Plus there is the whole thing about an enemy using it like Han did. It was alot of metal and such that the Avenger dumped that could have been easily recycled. It is not like storage room is a problem either, after all the stuff can be stored in cargo bays as the bays are emptied from their useful supplies.

I would guess that some items are cheaper or easier to just buy and replace rather than keep and recycle. Not the best answer, but....

Actually, it's a perfectly reasonable answer. We through away a bunch of stuff now days that could easily be recycled if it were economically viable. Not to mention that this is a military warship not a transport, hauling back what amounts to cheap junk isn't exactly a high priority for them.

It's also supported by the Imperial Sourcebook from WEG, which features a piece of fluff text detailing the salvage work of a small starship tagging along behind an ISD. The spacers tag and collect the potentially valuable parts of the ejected junk, repackaging the materials into standard containers in standard lots for resale to the Empire.

It's reminiscent of the hordes of merchants who used to follow Union armies around during the American Civil War, refurbishing and re-selling to the troops the gear those same soldiers had discarded either through laziness on the march or in panic during a battle.

Basically, ISDs appear to outsource many of their recycling operations to freelancers, possibly reducing the operational overhead of the vessel.

That the Falcon got a free ride to Anoat, from where it is fairly short way to Bespin sounds logical. Also you must remember, that the System is obiously named after the most populated planet, which is -surprise- Anoat. Bespin could be in the same system, but hadn't played a role as gas giant, when naming it.

Concerning the dumping of trash:
The Imperial technical handbook (correct written) states that it was not seen as usefull enough to intall a recycling plant on Star destroyers because of thier size. Most planetary government don't like the common dumping of junk, but don't try to protest (with good reason).
But bigger craft are a different matter. All command ships got a full recycling plant, which raises thier indepdence from respullying longer. Means that if they had glued themselfs against the tower of the Executor, they could have waited to the last day for it to shoot out junk.

Stormbringer wrote:And we have the similar problem of how the Royal Yatch got from Naboo to Tatooine with it's hyperdrive busted.

The hyperdrive is leaking. We won't be able to get to Coruscant- Panaka.

The hyperdrive still worked, but not for long, and didn't have much range left in it.

MrAnderson wrote:According to WEG material most ships with hyperdrives have what are called backup hyperdrives.

They are one shot, much slower, and short ranged. That is what han used to make it to Cloud City.

Makes the most sense to me that they had some kind of backup. Undoubtedly, they didn't use it against the Imps because it would've done them no good once it was used and they would be in the same situation as before.

Originally posted by MrAnderson:
According to WEG material most ships with hyperdrives have what are called backup hyperdrives. They are one shot, much slower, and short ranged. That is what han used to make it to Cloud City.

Also that might explain why Boba fett didn't get them while they were sublighting to bespin for months

Stormbringer wrote:And we have the similar problem of how the Royal Yatch got from Naboo to Tatooine with it's hyperdrive busted.

It wasn't busted, it was leaking coolant. They could fly, they just couldn't fly very far.

As for ESB, I think that maybe in SW that 'system' might mean more than 'solar system'. Anoat might be the name of a star cluster that includes Hoth and Bespin.

In reality, it was just a screw-up. In-movie, I'd say that they were a few light-days from Bespin, which would give them a few weeks at crusing speed. I don't think Luke was on Dagobah for more than a number of weeks.

Read this:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ht=#262918

...and use the search function of the forum.

Most of the travel was made at sublight, even with the backup hyperdrive. They could only make infrequent and difficult microjumps. (The whole transit to Bespin was covered in some detail in the Galaxy Guide for TESB)

Connor MacLeod wrote:Most of the travel was made at sublight, even with the backup hyperdrive. They could only make infrequent and difficult microjumps. (The whole transit to Bespin was covered in some detail in the Galaxy Guide for TESB)

Interestingly, all the EU guide has been overrun by the TESB radio drama quote that the trip was made via sublight.

Interestingly, all the EU guide has been overrun by the TESB radio drama quote that the trip was made via sublight.

And what is the exact wording of the quote?

Stormbringer wrote:And we have the similar problem of how the Royal Yatch got from Naboo to Tatooine with it's hyperdrive busted.

It was leaking coolant, meaning they could operate itfor a limited time before it was inoperable due to over heating. It doesn't mean it was nonfunctional.

In fact, I believe they stated they couldn't get as far as Coruscant.

Admiral_K wrote:

Interestingly, all the EU guide has been overrun by the TESB radio drama quote that the trip was made via sublight.

And what is the exact wording of the quote?

I lost that quote when my hard disk was wiped out by a virus. And since Robert Brown forum was already gone, I couldn't ask around.