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I've heard that the star wars galaxy got the hyperdrive from a very advanced race now probably extinct. Before that did they have anything like federation warp drive? And just how much of the star wars galaxy has been mapped, we are told in AOTC that all of it has, including the satelitte galaxies, but haven't they also said that scouting new hyperdrive lanes is extremely dangerous therefore there are large unexplored areas?
And when was Coruscant uninhabited (besides in Mike's fanfic ), is it the planet is star wars that humans orginated from?

Shrykull wrote:And when was Coruscant uninhabited (besides in Mike's fanfic ), is it the planet is star wars that humans orginated from?

I remember reading somewhere that humans originated on Corellia.

Humans are thought to have evolved or Coruscant as well as Corellia (probably due to the actions of the race that built the Corellia system and probably the Maw)

Prior to this, they had slow ships, and I don't remember any FTL technologies mentioned. I think near light speed drives. I think some species in the Outeriim had slow FTL drives, but probably at Warp Speed levels. No information on that.

AS for the source, a race from outside the galaxy flew into the GFFA one day, detected the Corellian system, flew there, and sold hyperdrive tech to the Corellians. 20 years of reverse engineering and redesign later....

I forget what the sources are, but I've heard theories that suggest that pre-hyperdrive and pre-Republic FTL drives used subspace properties (possibly similar to ST warp).

Also, it's not oficially known what the Human homeword is. It's likely a core world, but Coruscant is doubtful as it is too far from it's sun to be suitable for their development without orbital mirrors and excess heat from the planet-wide city. Corellia is a possibility, and Alderaan might be an option, though that would sure be some twisted irony.

I wouldn't spend much attention on Spanky's and (iirc) Illuminatus' theory that were actually brought from Earth by the hyperspace aliens (the Whills, in their theory). If that doesn't get shred to ribbons by Occam's Razor, I don't know what does.

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:*snip*

There is no known human homeworld. Ergo one does not exist. One of the premises of the story is it does take place in our universe, fictionally set long ago. Probability demands the exact same species would not evolve twice. Ergo, somehow Terrans were transported back in time to the GFFA.

The only available agent for this present there is the Hyperspace Aliens. There's no supporting evidence, so it was just a wild idea. But the hard theory is that Terrans somehow seeded the GFFA. Its required by the premises.

Here's a stupid question, but could they have moved Coruscant away from their star so that the heat wouldn't have built up to be unbearable?

Jeremy wrote:Here's a stupid question, but could they have moved Coruscant away from their star so that the heat wouldn't have built up to be unbearable?

No evidence of such.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: One of the premises of the story is it does take place in our universe, fictionally set long ago.

We don't know that it's long ago compared to today, though.

It is long ago from the perspective of the person telling the story. As to when the person telling the story lives, that's unknown.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: One of the premises of the story is it does take place in our universe, fictionally set long ago.

But what about Far, far away...? You can't keep one and ignore the other.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:There is no known human homeworld. Ergo one does not exist.

Just because we haven't seen one doesn't mean there isn't one. It is also not really important to the story, so why bother showing it?

One of the premises of the story is it does take place in our universe, fictionally set long ago.

Is that why the SW galaxy is larger than our own? Is it also why it happened A long time ago when we had FTL spacecraft (damn me for not reading up on my ancient history)? And far, far away where we used to live (y'know, before we were walking around on Earth)?

Probability demands the exact same species would not evolve twice. Ergo, somehow Terrans were transported back in time to the GFFA.

Whoa, it is illogical to assume the SW humans have a homeworld in the SW galaxy (which we aren't shown because it isn't important to the story and humans have spread all over the galaxy anyway, making the "cradle" planet unimportant in the grand scheme of things) but somehow it is more plausible that Terrans were "transplanted" back to the past? What the fuck are you smoking - and can I have some?

The only available agent for this present there is the Hyperspace Aliens. There's no supporting evidence, so it was just a wild idea. But the hard theory is that Terrans somehow seeded the GFFA. Its required by the premises.

No such idea is required by the premise, which simply states the story is set in their past, in their galaxy.

Odds of simultanious evolution of an identical species in two different unrelated locations is so astronomically high as to be virtually impossible.

Ergo, SW Humans must have been transported from Earth through some manner.

The Hyperspace Aliens stuff is just a pet theory that IP and I share, although I go a step further in also assuming that they're the Whills.

Stofsk wrote:Just because we haven't seen one doesn't mean there isn't one. It is also not really important to the story, so why bother showing it?

*yawn* Shifting the Burden of Proof

Stofsk wrote:Is that why the SW galaxy is larger than our own? Is it also why it happened A long time ago when we had FTL spacecraft (damn me for not reading up on my ancient history)? And far, far away where we used to live (y'know, before we were walking around on Earth)?

Idiot. This is why the thesis requires time travel.

Stofsk wrote:Whoa, it is illogical to assume the SW humans have a homeworld in the SW galaxy (which we aren't shown because it isn't important to the story and humans have spread all over the galaxy anyway, making the "cradle" planet unimportant in the grand scheme of things) but somehow it is more plausible that Terrans were "transplanted" back to the past? What the fuck are you smoking - and can I have some?

Better step the fuck off Newb.

Because two identical species will not simultaneously evolve on seperate worlds dumbfuck.

Stofsk wrote:No such idea is required by the premise, which simply states the story is set in their past, in their galaxy.

Fine, then its set in our future, and when we colonized some other galaxy. That's a stretch, since the story is to us a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Either way they originated here.

Coruscant is not the human homeworld

It is further away from the sun then earth, thus would have diferent living conditions then our species evolved in

It has atleast double earth's gravity, again vastly different from the circumstances taht gave rise to us

It had 2 indiginous species of its own, one which defeated the other in a war.

Basically, it ain't earth, and it's not very similar to earth.

Ender wrote:It has atleast double earth's gravity, again vastly different from the circumstances taht gave rise to us.

I doubt humans without radical anatomical differences could easily live in a 2 G+ environment.

How'd you come to that conclusion?

Couruscant's surface gravity is actually only 1.42 times that of Earth's...

Also on the Hypersapce note the evidence ontinually seems to reference the Duro species as the originators of hypersapce travel. Whether they actually invented it is not as clear but they are definately the originators of the early hyperspace travel age immediately prior to the formation of the Galactic Republic some 25k years ago.

The hyperdrive was first bequeathed to the Corellians by powers unknown.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Ender wrote:It has atleast double earth's gravity, again vastly different from the circumstances taht gave rise to us.

I doubt humans without radical anatomical differences could easily live in a 2 G+ environment.

How'd you come to that conclusion?

Aside from the fact that you agree from me yet are questioning me...

I came to that comclusion based of the fact that evolving in a higher G environment would favor a different skeletal structure, a higer muscle mass, would likley result in the planet having a somewhat different atmospheric density and possibly different composition, and probably a lot of other shit.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Stofsk wrote:Just because we haven't seen one doesn't mean there isn't one. It is also not really important to the story, so why bother showing it?

*yawn* Shifting the Burden of Proof

That's right, because you made the extraordinary claim Earth is somewhere in the SW galaxy. Prove it.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Stofsk wrote:Is that why the SW galaxy is larger than our own? Is it also why it happened A long time ago when we had FTL spacecraft (damn me for not reading up on my ancient history)? And far, far away where we used to live (y'know, before we were walking around on Earth)?

Idiot. This is why the thesis requires time travel.

So? Once again, prove that time travel is possible in the SW galaxy. Specifically, prove they can go back in time.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Stofsk wrote:Whoa, it is illogical to assume the SW humans have a homeworld in the SW galaxy (which we aren't shown because it isn't important to the story and humans have spread all over the galaxy anyway, making the "cradle" planet unimportant in the grand scheme of things) but somehow it is more plausible that Terrans were "transplanted" back to the past? What the fuck are you smoking - and can I have some?

Better step the fuck off Newb.

Because two identical species will not simultaneously evolve on seperate worlds dumbfuck.

No shit. Which is why SW humans evolved on one planet. But that doesn't matter to the story because humans are everywhere in the SW galaxy. They're so prevalent that the concept of a "cradle" world is unnecessary. We don't know where Humans originated.

That's a strawman anyway. I never said Humans evolved on multiple worlds. In fact, I said they evolved on one specific world, which due to interstellar colonisation has been forgotten. Which is more plausible than suggesting humans colonised backwards through time.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Stofsk wrote:No such idea is required by the premise, which simply states the story is set in their past, in their galaxy.

Fine, then its set in our future, and when we colonized some other galaxy. That's a stretch, since the story is to us a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Either way they originated here.

Having difficulty suspending disbelief? Did it not occur to you that the SW universe may be a different one from our own? Once again, prove the SW galaxy is the Milky Way. Prove that Earth is somewhere in the SW galaxy.

It's not. IP was just calling you a moron without actually stating it to you directly.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The hyperdrive was first bequeathed to the Corellians by powers unknown.

That's one source, anothr says that it was developed by the Duros. And yet others say it was developed by the corellisnas sans help.

It's a mess, but we can make a few simple conclusions: either hyperdrive has been around a lot longer then we know, or the basics of it are easy to discover. This is evidenceed by the chiss developing short ranged hyperdrives on their own and also hypermatter if a few of their patrol ships can defeat standard ships. Tiny frigates like they have as capital warships would have difficulty killing a fighter squardon if they couldn't match power generation, much less some patrol craft defeating standard ships.

Now we know that the chiss and other colonizing expiditions have been out for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years based of the genetic drift we see in offshoots from baseline humans. We know hyperdrive as we know it is only a little over 25,000 years old. Thus the implication is that either this new, super advanced hyperdrive came from the aliens and they had older, simpler, tech that the chiss were recreating; or hyperdrive is easy to build and the aliens played no part. Both allow for the Duros legend and the Corellian homebrew to be incorporated.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The hyperdrive was first bequeathed to the Corellians by powers unknown.

Nonetheless hyperdrive in general came about to the galay through other means:

"Prior to the rise of the New Order, historians widely believed that Duros explorers introduced the hyperdrive to humans..."
pg 15 SWRPG(WOTC) Rebellion Era Sourcebook

Stofsk wrote:That's right, because you made the extraordinary claim Earth is somewhere in the SW galaxy. Prove it.

Wrong newb. I said that there is no homeworld of humanity said to be in the GFFA. Thusly to assume there is one and ask me to prove that wrong is shifting the burden of proof.

Stofsk wrote:So? Once again, prove that time travel is possible in the SW galaxy. Specifically, prove they can go back in time.

No fuckface. The homeworld is not in the GFFA, two species do not evolve on seperate worlds, and it is set in our past. Ergo, time travel into the past is necessitated by the premises.

Stofsk wrote:No shit. Which is why SW humans evolved on one planet. But that doesn't matter to the story because humans are everywhere in the SW galaxy. They're so prevalent that the concept of a "cradle" world is unnecessary. We don't know where Humans originated.

No shit. But they had to originate somewhere. Species are not always in the post-interstellar travel phase y'know. They have to evolve somewhere.

Stofsk wrote:That's a strawman anyway. I never said Humans evolved on multiple worlds. In fact, I said they evolved on one specific world, which due to interstellar colonisation has been forgotten. Which is more plausible than suggesting humans colonised backwards through time.

That world had to be Earth. The story is fictionally set in our past. Because Earth exists in the SW universe, it could not possibly have been any other world.

Stofsk wrote:Having difficulty suspending disbelief? Did it not occur to you that the SW universe may be a different one from our own? Once again, prove the SW galaxy is the Milky Way. Prove that Earth is somewhere in the SW galaxy.

Spanky explained this in-depth enough for you.

Ender wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Ender wrote:It has atleast double earth's gravity, again vastly different from the circumstances taht gave rise to us.

I doubt humans without radical anatomical differences could easily live in a 2 G+ environment.

How'd you come to that conclusion?

Aside from the fact that you agree from me yet are questioning me...

I came to that comclusion based of the fact that evolving in a higher G environment would favor a different skeletal structure, a higer muscle mass, would likley result in the planet having a somewhat different atmospheric density and possibly different composition, and probably a lot of other shit.

Upon rereading, if you are asking about Coruscan'ts gravity, its based off what the gravity was on the trade federation ship in TPM, as seen in the Jedi landing from the air shaft. There was no indication that this was special, implying that like most everything else it was the standard, and again like everything else the standard was coruscant.

And as was pointed out, its ~ 1.5, not 2+ like I misrecalled

Ender wrote:Aside from the fact that you agree from me yet are questioning me...

It suddenly is not possible to agree Coruscant != Earth while disagree with a specific claim and ask for clarification?