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SW Sourcebook Official Mining Thread

Posted: 2003-11-28 06:21pm
by MKSheppard
I'm starting this thread and bookmarking it, so I can come back and
give you the latest dope on what I've gleaned from my growing
collection of WEG Star Wars D6 Sourcebooks, without me possibly
seeing spoilers for Episode III in PSW.

The WEG sourcebooks while at times, getting some numbers wrong,
most notably the Executor's true length, are a much better source
than the current WOTC D20 sourcebooks, which are almost all pretty
pictures and fluff. You can get gems from the WEG books that help
clear up some points of the SW universe.

Ok first up is the Strike Force: Shantipole sourcebook, which
gives you the background behind that famous historical Mission
from X-Wing :D
Shantipole Sourcebook wrote: The months after the victory at Yavin were a time of great hope for the Rebellion. Following the Death Star's destruction, volunteers and recruits from across the galaxy poured in to swell the Alliance's ranks. Among those recruits were Rebel pilots, who found lumbering Imperial convoys easy pickings for their speedy starfighters. Manpower and supplies were on the rise, and it seemed that the dark days would soon be over.

But all that changed when the Imperial fleet began to relentlessly hunt for the hidden Rebel base. To make matters worse, the Empire added a new vessel to its supply convoys - the powerful Nebulon-B Frigate.

At 194 million standard credits, the Nebulon-B costs less than one twentieth of the price of an Imperial Star Destroyer. With its 24 laser batteries, two TIE fighter squadrons and heavy shielding, the Nebulon-B is more than a match for the lightly-armed Rebel raiders. Since the vessel's introduction, damage to raiding parties has climbed so dramatically that Alliance High Command has discontinued all attacks on Imperial convoys. Supply problems grow critical as the Rebellion slowly strangles into submission.

The Alliance has one hope to counter the deadly escort frigate. Everything depends on a daring plan proposed by a Mon Calamarian named Ackbar. Ackbar learned of the Nebulon-B while he was Grand Moff Tarkin's personal servant/slave. From what he saw of the vessel's overall design, Ackbar determined that only an equally powerful capital ship (of which the Alliance has precious few) or specially equipped starfighters could hope to stand against the escort frigate in combat. It was the decision of High Command to develop a new starfighter to handle this problem. And so, before the wreckage of the first failed convoy raid cooled, Ackbar traveled to Roche system to seek the aid of a renowned race of shipbuilders - the Verpine.

Using Ackbar's vision and their own design skills, the insectoid Verpine began creating a technical work of art - the B-wing starfighter. This heavy starfighter, capable of closing with an Imperial frigate and disabling its TIE bays and hyperdrives, was to be the latest accomplishment of the Slayn and Korpil hives. Soon, without effective escorts, the cargo transports would once again become easy targets.

Under Ackbar and his team of Alliance engineers, the Verpine have completed prototypes of the two-man B-wing starfighter. The two-man B-wing employs a unique firing compartment which allows the gunner to fire from a stable platform while the ship conducts evasive maneuvers. This results in a starfighter with significantly enhanced fire control. In addition, the new B-wing carries more shielding and more firepower than any other Rebel or Imperial starfighter in production.
Very important gem, IMO, it gives us a rough estimate of an ISD's cost,
about 3,880,000,000 credits, and if we use the 1/20 number with the
25k ISD figure, we get a fleet of half a million Neb-Bs, which starts
to line up nicely with Marina's Imp Fleet Calcs. :D

And it refines the role of the B-Wing further, it's not an unstoppable
frigate destroyer, it's more of a heavy assault craft that can cripple
a frigate or inflict enough damage on it that it must be withdrawn from
patrol duties to a yard for repairs.

More will come as I look through my sourcebooks.

Re: WEG Sourcebook Official Mining Thread

Posted: 2003-11-28 07:53pm
by YT300000
MKSheppard wrote:More will come as I look through my sourcebooks.
The rest of us HAB members may also supplement this thread from time to time with our copies of the sourcebooks.

Posted: 2003-11-29 12:23am
by Solauren
Not to 'dis' the WEG D6 books, but would you also like the 'companion' information that may exsist in the WotC D20 Star Wars books?

You know, since they are both canon. It would be interesting to see how they line up in 'historical content'

Posted: 2003-11-29 10:25am
by MKSheppard
Solauren wrote:Not to 'dis' the WEG D6 books, but would you also like the 'companion' information that may exsist in the WotC D20 Star Wars books?
Sure.
You know, since they are both canon. It would be interesting to see how they line up in 'historical content'
It just seems to me that WOTC spent way to much time lining up fancy
paintings and figuring out what class out of 1,000 classes that
Obi Wan Kenobi, and everyone else was, etc instead of setting the
mood for SW the way WEG did.

Posted: 2003-11-29 10:29am
by Crown
If people are serious about this project I might sticky it for ya...

Re: WEG Sourcebook Official Mining Thread

Posted: 2003-11-29 11:06am
by Sir Sirius
MKSheppard wrote:Very important gem, IMO, it gives us a rough estimate of an ISD's cost, about 3,880,000,000 credits, and if we use the 1/20 number with the 25k ISD figure, we get a fleet of half a million Neb-Bs, which starts to line up nicely with Marina's Imp Fleet Calcs. :D
The fact that a Nebulon-B costs 1/20th of the cost of an ISD doesn't necessarily mean that the Imperium has 20 Nebulon-B Frigates for every ISD.

Posted: 2003-11-29 11:22am
by MKSheppard
Crown wrote:If people are serious about this project I might sticky it for ya...
I have an endless number of sourcebooks, and I can always
repost Doomriser's PDDs of the Imperial Sourcebook to eat up
space :lol:

Posted: 2003-11-29 11:32am
by Crown
MKSheppard wrote:
Crown wrote:If people are serious about this project I might sticky it for ya...
I have an endless number of sourcebooks, and I can always
repost Doomriser's PDDs of the Imperial Sourcebook to eat up
space :lol:
:lol:

Ahh, just the highlights dude ... we have a few 'databank' threads, could this go into any of them?

Anyway, it's 3 am here and I am going to bed. See you.

Posted: 2003-11-30 02:28pm
by Ender
The Dark Empire Sourcebook entry about the Trial of Marko Spince is chaired by a Senator Simon Greyshade.

Yet another EU beign grabbed for the movies example.

Posted: 2003-11-30 03:11pm
by Axis Kast
I'm curious to know what other people have got.

I own all the line of the new Star Wars D20 products - including every issue of SW Gamer - aside from the Polyhedron crap.

I own a vast array of D6, and two boxed sets, including Dark Stryder and the Tapani campaign.

Posted: 2003-11-30 03:33pm
by nightmare
Ender wrote:The Dark Empire Sourcebook entry about the Trial of Marko Spince is chaired by a Senator Simon Greyshade.

Yet another EU beign grabbed for the movies example.
I was thinking we should have a new such thread.

Posted: 2003-11-30 07:45pm
by Ender
The Imperial Sourcebook, under the topic "The Rise of Senator Palpatine" makes mention of his support from the "loyalists"

Gosh, that EU sure is a parrallel universe, ain't it?

Posted: 2003-12-02 05:48am
by MKSheppard
nightmare wrote: I was thinking we should have a new such thread.
New thread for what?

Posted: 2003-12-02 05:52am
by MKSheppard
Ender wrote:The Imperial Sourcebook, under the topic "The Rise of Senator Palpatine" makes mention of his support from the "loyalists"
Imperial Sourcebook wrote:Senator Palpatine seized the moment. Through fraud, clever promises, and astute political maneuvering, Palpatine had himself elected head of the Senatorial Council - President of the Republic.

The loyalists were encouraged that Palpatine had not fallen in with the corrupt senators during his tenure, while the fallen senators took heart from Palpatine’s apparent docility. Each side believed Palpatine would serve their needs. Each side could not have been more wrong.
....
Sectors are grouped together into larger territorial entities called regions. The Empire has countless regions, which can contain from as few as three to upwards of thousands of sectors. The establishment of a region depends not only upon galactic geography, but also upon wealth, influence, historic "sentimentalities," economic diversity and the level of direct control exerted by the Empire. Regions are governed by Grand Moffs (the title "regional governor" is commonly used). Some well known regions include the Outer Rim Territories (a vast expanse of space with many frontier colonies), the Galactic Core (historic "birthplace" of the Republic, containing Coruscant, the capital of the Empire, as well as several other vital systems), the Deep Core (a restricted area of space - essentially a giant "preserve" in the heart of the Empire), the Colonies, and the Inner Rim.

Under the New Order, the Galactic Empire continues to grow and expand, and new sectors and regions are being formed all the time.

Posted: 2003-12-25 11:38pm
by MKSheppard
Introduction from Pirates and Privateers wrote: Admiral Ackbar: "Madame, I wish to open the matter of the privateering experiment. It is my firm belief that while temporarily expedient, using these mercenaries is ultimately counterproductive. The Alliance can supply itself without resorting to contracting private raiders."

Chief of State Mon Mothma: "Admiral, your reluctance to implement this plan is well-documented, and I see little point in documenting it further For the record, I am also somewhat hesitant to sanction pirate attacks, even on our deadliest enemies. However, I believe Minister Muvunc has a comment."

Minister Ral'Rai Muvunc: "Yes, Madame. Admiral Ackbar, I should like to point out that if you truly do not need the 400,000 tons of food and air, 230 canisters of blaster gas, 90 main space weapons, and 700,000 tons of miscellaneous equipment provided by this 'mercenary experiment,' you are perfectly free to load all of it on the 71 assorted cargo and utility ships and three ships-of-the-line also seized by our privateers in the last standard year, and auto-pilot them into a convenient star."

— excerpt from minutes of the 267th High Command meeting.

Posted: 2003-12-28 07:35pm
by MKSheppard
Dark Empire Sourcebook wrote: The first such Devastator, the Silencer-1, began construction in secret at the newly reopened shipyard in orbit around Thomork. Closed years ago because of a new strain of contagious hive virus, the system had taken on the dark reputation of a massacre site. The Emperor's agents had to kill over 450 people to make their story hold, but the area was soon as infamous as the fabled Dagobah system. In fact, the whole station was undamaged and, with the colony abandoned, perfect for a top secret project such as this.
And
While it was imprudent to reveal his return, he could still hinder or aid those who caught his fancy. It was, in fact, the Emperor who had given all the various orders and counter-orders that were impeding the petty plans of the various factions. Here then was the reason so many of the warships Thrawn needed had vanished into the fortress systems, forcing him to rely on the Katana fleet of lost Dreadnaughts.

Posted: 2003-12-28 11:56pm
by nightmare
MKSheppard wrote:
nightmare wrote: I was thinking we should have a new such thread.
New thread for what?
All EU material that has made it into the movies.

Posted: 2003-12-30 05:35am
by MKSheppard
Not one fucking reply to this? Especially to that tidbit that fixes the
Zahn semi fuckup about 300~ ships being a galaxy changing thing?

Posted: 2004-01-01 10:28am
by nightmare
Not really, but I can contribute with this excerpt from the introduction of the d6 core rulebook, 2nd edition.

"Before you can adventure in the galaxy, you better know something about it. First off, it's big - the Empire rules billions of worlds. Me, I've never seen a billion of anything, and you probably haven't either. So you'll just have to take my word that you've got a vast galaxy out there, waiting for you."

Posted: 2004-01-09 12:26am
by phongn
Not bad, especially the DESB quotes.