The best snub-fighter pilots

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-16 11:49pm

Well I am wondering who would be considered the best of the snub-fighter pilots in Star Wars? I am talking about the best pilots when all natural abilities are taken into account. This means the force can be accounted.

Here is my general ranking.

Luke Skywalker

Wedge Antilles and Baron Fel

Jag Fel, Jaina Solo, Kyp Duron

Corran Horn, Mara Jade

Tycho Celchu (I think that if the others didn't have the force he would be above Corran, Jaina, Kyp, and Mara, but he falls just below these people when they use the force)

Wes Janson, Hobbie Kleevan, Gavin Darklighter

Did I miss any of the good pilots or do you think I miss placed them?

Honorable Mentions whom I can't really place on the list.

Commander Varth
Pash Cracken
Oyrl Qryeg
Aril Numb

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-17 12:17am

Alyeska wrote:Did I miss any of the good pilots or do you think I miss placed them?

Yeah, you missed one of the best pilots in Star Wars: Han-FUCKING-Solo! I mean, how can you miss Han? Good ol' Han.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-17 12:20am

Han wasn't primarily a starfighter pilot.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-17 12:27am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Han wasn't primarily a starfighter pilot.

*grumble* yeh-yeh I SUPPOSE... *grumble*

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-12-17 12:47am

You missed Keyan Farlander and Maarek Stele.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-17 01:05am

I am intentionaly leaving out the Tie-Fighter pilot. I could also have put Ace Azzameen on there as well. Their stories are trumped up a little high.

Who is Farlander? The X-Wing pilot?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-12-17 01:26am

Yes, Keyan Farlander is the pilot from The Farlander Papers, which accompanied the X-Wing strategy guide. He's also been referenced in the Essential Guide to Planets and Moons, as well as a few novels. He is a Force-user.

And yeah, you could include Ace Azzameen too. Sure, their exploits are seemingly larger-than-life, but they're official characters. I'd like to know what your reasoning for excluding them is, other than "they're really good."

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-12-17 01:31am

One comment: in I, Jedi, Corran couldn't beat Tycho even while flying with the Force. Did he improve by a large amount since then?

And I think Turr Phennir should be on there...somewhere.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-17 01:34am

Corran Horn should be struck from the list due to the fact that he's Corran Horn...

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-12-17 01:47am

You know what, despite all the flak that the character gets, I liked Corran Horn.

Though Wedge is the best pilot of them all. Force or no Force.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-17 01:51am

Agent Fisher wrote:You know what, despite all the flak that the character gets, I liked Corran Horn.

Why do people dislike Corran Horn?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-17 01:55am

Because he's a do everything best jack of all trades self-insertion character of Stackpole.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-12-17 01:57am

Stofsk wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:You know what, despite all the flak that the character gets, I liked Corran Horn.
Why do people dislike Corran Horn?

Ever heard the term Mary Sue-ing? Or self-insertion? A lot of people think that Mike Stackpole did that with Corran.

Mary Sue-ing is creating a character that rarely/never meets an obstacle they can't handle.

Self insertion is creating a character that is mostly or totally based off your own personality.

Both imply lazy writing, and a lot of people accuse Stackpole of it.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-12-17 07:42am

Kuja wrote:One comment: in I, Jedi, Corran couldn't beat Tycho even while flying with the Force.

IIRC, it was because he was handicapped by the fact didn't want to fly against Tycho and the other Rogues with deadly intent.

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2003-12-17 09:21am

*Smacks everyone in the thread about the head and neck with a lead pipe*

You're all fools!! Everyone knows there is only one true snub fighter pilot in the galaxy and that would be the 9 year old who took out a Trade Federation Control ship and then later pretty much wiped out nealry 2 squardrons of rebel X-Wings and Y-Wings with little/no help! You want it spelt out!?

It's fucking Anakin Skywalker-Darth Vader!!!!

Duh.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-12-17 09:51am

I have a feeling we'll see how good Anakin really is in Episode 3 *crosses fingers*.

Meanwhile Wedge Antilles is the only man to survive two Death Star Runs. And IIRC he's got more kills than any other alliance pilot.

but the real Answer is...

KETTCH! "Bleed and Die! Yub Yub!"

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-12-17 10:03am

Kuja wrote:Mary Sue-ing is creating a character that rarely/never meets an obstacle they can't handle.

Self insertion is creating a character that is mostly or totally based off your own personality.

Both imply lazy writing, and a lot of people accuse Stackpole of it.

So according to you, H.P. Lovecraft was a lazy writer because some of his characters were based upon himself??

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2003-12-17 10:14am

Alpha 1

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-17 11:00am

I can not list Keyan Farlander because according to the X-Wing series HE destroyed the Death Star, not Luke. It is obvious that the X-Wing series itself is not totaly in line with Star Wars. Furthermore I can not properly list him because of game mechanics. Their exploits are grossly out of proportion and its highly unlikely that if they existed they would have near so many kills. Either way we have no proper way to judge him.

The very same goes for Maarek Stele and Ace Azameen except for the fact they didn't destroy the Death Star.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-12-17 11:03am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Kuja wrote:Mary Sue-ing is creating a character that rarely/never meets an obstacle they can't handle.

Self insertion is creating a character that is mostly or totally based off your own personality.

Both imply lazy writing, and a lot of people accuse Stackpole of it.
So according to you, H.P. Lovecraft was a lazy writer because some of his characters were based upon himself??

No, mary sueing refers to stuff like fanfics, where the author character is so all-powerful that he can trump major characters and decide the story arc. It would be like if you suddenly wrote yourself into LOTR and you possessed the ability to warp the ring power to your own use and challenge Sauron, Gandalf and everybody combined.

There was an episode on Buffy, the Vampire Slayer that "touched" on this. Basically, this guy get some magic stuff that makes him into a "Mary Sue" of Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV show. Everybody likes him, he's smart, brillant, caustic wit, popular with the guys and girls and he can kick ass, even better than the main character.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-17 12:14pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Kuja wrote:Mary Sue-ing is creating a character that rarely/never meets an obstacle they can't handle.

Self insertion is creating a character that is mostly or totally based off your own personality.

Both imply lazy writing, and a lot of people accuse Stackpole of it.
So according to you, H.P. Lovecraft was a lazy writer because some of his characters were based upon himself??

No, because Lovecraft was a good writer that knew how to write characters, as PainRack said... Quite unlike Stackpole.

You really have to learn not to interpret people so literally.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-17 01:01pm

Anakin SOLO was a supposed to be an excellant pilot was he not? Unless your only considering Pilots who flew regular combat missions in the miltary. Which means you should really take off Jade from your list.

Anyway i don't remember Jade being a hot-hand with a fighter? Dowsn't she prefer her shuttle?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-12-17 02:40pm

Gavin Darklighter had his ass handed to at the start of the NJO by Wedge and Tycho, so i think he needs struck off the list. Wedge has stated in the Wraith books that in terms of pure skill Luke Skywalker is the best in the Galaxy. Jaina is pretty up there but still no Wedge Antilies. Pash Cracken deserves a mention IMHO.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-12-17 02:50pm

Alyeska wrote:I can not list Keyan Farlander because according to the X-Wing series HE destroyed the Death Star, not Luke. It is obvious that the X-Wing series itself is not totaly in line with Star Wars. Furthermore I can not properly list him because of game mechanics. Their exploits are grossly out of proportion and its highly unlikely that if they existed they would have near so many kills. Either way we have no proper way to judge him.

Bizzt.

The Farlander Papers clarify that Farlander was flying escort above the Death Star and did not make the shot. Farlander is an exceptionally good pilot and is also part of the missions to capture the Death Star plans. He later becomes a NRDF General, and commands a fleet in Destiny's Way.

General, Emperor's Hand, and Secret Order of the Empire Emperor's Reach Steele is one of the best pilots to ever fly under the Empire. Steele Chronicles and Gamer verify his plot exploits are canonical and he IS one of the Emperor's Hands.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-17 02:58pm

So we throw out the games for the most part and just look at the chronicles. In that case we don't truly have enough information to properly rank Farlander, Steele, or Azzameen. They become honorable mentions.

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