NJO questions

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-24 01:08am

Couple questions on the NJO here.

What became of the New Republic? Did it splinter into different groups or did it form a new type of government?

Did any other main characters get killed off on the IR or NR side?

Did anyone survive on Couruscant when the Vong had control of the planet and were these people rescued when the allied fleets retook the planet?

What happened to the Vong and what of the shamed ones?

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-12-24 01:24am

***SPOILERS***

The New Republic became the Grand Federation of Free Alliances (GFFA).

No more main characters died, unless you count Pellaeon's son as a main character (and maybe it wasn't really his son).

We don't know what happened to the survivors on Coruscant, but we know there was a resistance movement against the Vong. Some survivors were rescued.

The Vong, including the Shamed Ones, were relocated to the planet Zonoma Sekot...which leads one to wonder exactly HOW the enormous number of Yuuzhan Vong in the galaxy *ALL* were supposed to live on that one planet.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-24 01:33am

So are the Vong a defeated enemy, or was their a peace of sorts and that allowed the Vong to get a new planet? And how do the Vong deal with technology now? Do they still hate it? And are the Shamed Ones still shamed by the fundamentalist element in Vong society?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-12-24 01:39am

the "Grand Federation of Free Alliances"

Not only is it a fucking dumb name ("Galaxy Far, Far Away" anyone?), it's also bloody redundant.

Agent R · Post by **Agent R** » 2003-12-24 02:12pm

Ummm, it's Galactic Federation of Free Alliances. Of course, I've stopped reading the NJO since Force Heretic, so I could still be wrong if there was a name change sometime between then and the last book.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-12-24 02:20pm

They call it the Galactic Alliance.

As for Zonama Sekot, I figure the cream of the Vong social structure got first dibs, and it'll end up like the Vong equivalent of Coruscant, organically structured to support an enormous number of sentient individuals. Remember Coruscant's population is many many times that of the entire military personnel of the Imperial Armed Forces at the Empire's height.

Colonies were probably granted to help the Vong support Sekot, but perhaps have severe population and development restrictions, making them negligible in terms of being mentioned as a settling point.

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2003-12-24 03:19pm

Chewbacca died?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-12-24 04:16pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:They call it the Galactic Alliance.

As for Zonama Sekot, I figure the cream of the Vong social structure got first dibs, and it'll end up like the Vong equivalent of Coruscant, organically structured to support an enormous number of sentient individuals. Remember Coruscant's population is many many times that of the entire military personnel of the Imperial Armed Forces at the Empire's height.

So the Empire has less than a trillion people in it's entire armed forces?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-12-24 04:25pm

Chewie and Anakin died, and they where 2 of the core characters. Corran Horn should have died except Stackpole threw a hissy fit IIRC. Other characters nearly died a lot. Oh yeah and Ackbar died in the last book, but he died of old age or something and not gloriously in battle as he should have.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-12-24 08:56pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Chewie and Anakin died, and they where 2 of the core characters. Corran Horn should have died except Stackpole threw a hissy fit IIRC. Other characters nearly died a lot. Oh yeah and Ackbar died in the last book, but he died of old age or something and not gloriously in battle as he should have.

I thought the whole point was to have main/core characters killed off!

And Corran shoulda died, too. And not because I'm a Corran hater (I'm not, I happen to like him), but because the end of Dark Tide I was just a badass death scene for him.

And I wish the "almost died" ones did die. IMO, that would made KJA's JAT better, if Kyp had died.

( RotK maybe SPOILER: Just like I think it woulda been cool had Frodo died in RotK, but whatever. )

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-12-24 09:07pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:They call it the Galactic Alliance.

As for Zonama Sekot, I figure the cream of the Vong social structure got first dibs, and it'll end up like the Vong equivalent of Coruscant, organically structured to support an enormous number of sentient individuals. Remember Coruscant's population is many many times that of the entire military personnel of the Imperial Armed Forces at the Empire's height.
So the Empire has less than a trillion people in it's entire armed forces?

Coruscant has at least several times 10^5 people in it. 1% of that is several times ten trillion people.

Marina's calcs account for twenty-six trillion servicemen in the navy. Saxton's calcs easily allow for that plus the other military branches to be one or two percent of the population of Coruscant, and Saxton AND Marina's calcs are both conservative.

I also remind you that that is the TESB Imperial naval forces at their height. We are talking the Yuuzhan Vong invasion force against the vastly smaller New Republic Defense Force.

The survivors of the Yuuzhan Vong should easily be able to live on or around Zonama Sekot if it is voluntarily Vongformed into a giant living planet that exists for the living of the Yuuzhan Vong. Remember, the military of the Yuuzhan Vong should be considered a much, much larger percentage of the population, the Yuuzhan Vong military is much smaller, and the Shamed Ones may not be among the Yuuzhan Vong exiled.

Its acceptable when you think of it.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-12-26 09:56am

It all hinges on the population of Coruscant, and thats really a closed deal isn't it? Irregardless of Marina's calcs.
It was "Inside the worlds of TPM" IIRC that the population figure was declared to be 1 trillion and I don't think any higher source has discredited it.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-12-26 10:58am

His Divine Shadow wrote:It all hinges on the population of Coruscant, and thats really a closed deal isn't it? Irregardless of Marina's calcs.
It was "Inside the worlds of TPM" IIRC that the population figure was declared to be 1 trillion and I don't think any higher source has discredited it.

The movies discredit it by direct observation.

The population density of a city as depicted in the movie canon cannot realistically be less than several hundred trillion, and should be at least in the thousands of trillions.

Unless you've transmogrified into a "secondary source over your own eyes" and basic common fucking sense denier, I don't see why this is hard to grasp. One trillion only works for a special brand of citizenship or the census takers only getting through the officially registered population and doing a piss-poor job.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-12-26 04:37pm

I dunno, I mean yes it makes much more sense for it to be far more populated, but what on the surface is inhabited and what is not is not something I can tell 100% from the visuals, for all we know those circular areas that are lighted up more than the other might be the only areas with the kind of population density seen in the movie for instance.

It's all very iffy I think.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-12-26 04:56pm

The view of Coruscant from space is deceiving. There are large sections of its surface that are not populated (Danko, Count Dooku's hideout in AOTC) but you would never be able to tell through simple observation; we cannot simply assume that because there are tall buildings across the whole surface that people must live in any large percentage of them.

While this contradicts such statements like Ric Ole's "The entire planet is one big city" it makes sense that a planet with even a population as "low" as one trillion would still need large sections of the planet squared off for industry if it were to be self sufficient (which it can be for several months; ref. TTT).

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-12-26 11:08pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:The view of Coruscant from space is deceiving. There are large sections of its surface that are not populated (Danko, Count Dooku's hideout in AOTC) but you would never be able to tell through simple observation; we cannot simply assume that because there are tall buildings across the whole surface that people must live in any large percentage of them.

While this contradicts such statements like Ric Ole's "The entire planet is one big city" it makes sense that a planet with even a population as "low" as one trillion would still need large sections of the planet squared off for industry if it were to be self sufficient (which it can be for several months; ref. TTT).

So? Any of the population densities we can use to calculate Coruscant also doesn't dedicate all its space to population. Similarly, space is wasted on sewage plants, military bases, factories, abandoned portions of the city even.

Even if we use the ludricous 50 people per sq km calc, we're still going to exceed 1 trillion people.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-12-27 01:34pm

Also with Coruscant, it's important to remember that for a population estimate, you can't just count the surface area. All the buildings are well over 100 stories tall, and there are people living on all levels.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-27 01:45pm

Back to an original question. Did the last few novels say if any of Coruscants original population survived the Vongforming?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-12-27 01:57pm

Alyeska wrote:Back to an original question. Did the last few novels say if any of Coruscants original population survived the Vongforming?

In Aaron Alston's Duology Wraith Squadron and and sopme Jedi went back to Coruscant and there were some survivors. IIRC there were still some around by Unifying Force.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-12-27 02:22pm

There where small pockets of the population left. The wraiths did encounter them but they also decided it wasn't worth the time and effort to leave behind their expert on relellion forming as they had planned. Most of the non-vong we see with the shamed ones where NR/GA officers captured by the Vong and set free by the Shamed Ones.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2003-12-27 03:16pm

In Traitor it speculates that there are over nine hundred billion survivors from Coruscant's original population, and that's after its transformation into Yuuzhan'tar was complete.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-12-27 04:15pm

By the way, what do they intend to do with Coruscant?
Do they plan to rip out all that Vong-shit? Do they plan to re-urbanize the planet and rebuild it in it's old glory? And if I remember right, the Vong had destroyed one of Coruscants four moons to create a ring around the planet.

So what will happen with Coruscant?

And what happend to the Vong? As i can interpret by the plan to settle them into one starsystem, it had to be a massacre to thier numbers. (I remember, that several worldships full of them went boom.)
Were they massacered off?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2003-12-27 04:24pm

I haven't finished the NJO! I'm stalled out because I can't find a copy of Ylseia anywhere!

Is it worth reading? Or should I just skip ahead to the Force Heretic series?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-12-27 07:02pm

Lazy Raptor wrote:I haven't finished the NJO! I'm stalled out because I can't find a copy of Ylseia anywhere! Is it worth reading? Or should I just skip ahead to the Force Heretic series?

IIRC Ylseia comes with some copies of Destiny's Way and is also available by E-Book, i think they made it free after the first few batches of DW that wer meant to have it didn't

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2003-12-27 07:14pm

WHAT? I've been knocking over shelves in Barnes and Noble beacause I have an early edition of Destiny's Way!!!

All this time!!! Looking for a damned E-Book!