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a crackpot theory(Kotor Spoilers)

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I finished Kotor today(dark side of course).
The ending made I think, I remembered how short lived the Empire was compared with the Republic.

Is it possible that other Sith than the Emporer ruled the galaxy for a short period before?
My Crackpot Theory is that such a theoretical Sith empire would not last long after the Sith lord who created it is gone(slain, natural dead, consumed by the force, "lets invade another galaxy" and so on). A new Republic is founded after the destruction of the now headless empire(or the they rename the empire) and the Jedi "overlook" this brief interruption (no one will miss a few years in the archive ;) ) or they rewrite the history books(the Sith lost the war... Sith slain...heroic fight...).

I did not read the EU Novels, are any hints for something like this in them?
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Well, the Republic did have a hiccup with the Third Sith War a thousand years before Yavin which ended with the Battle of Ruusan where the last remaining Sith faction known as the Brotherhood of Darkness was totally destroyed, with the Jedi Order's Army of Light (comprising nearly the entire Order) when the Sith Lord Kaan destroyed his final encampment with a detonation of Force energy, killing all the remaining Sith and Jedi (and subsequently imprisioning their Force potentials with their spirits in what would become known as the Valley of the Jedi; the source of a particularly powerful "Force well").

The same year, the Republic underwent the "Ruusan Reformation" where the calender was restarted and many bureaucratic and structural changes were undertaken. It is theorized but not stated that the Ruusan Reformation created the circumstances which allowed the Republic to decay in the millenium following, since it had withstood the previous twenty-four.

This is also why Supreme Chancellor Palpatine remarks that "...this Republic which has stood for a thousand years..." in contrast to the Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi's statement that "for a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic." In one form or another, the Galactic Republic existed and was guarded by the Jedi Order, but the polity that is the Galactic Republic has fallen, waned, and grown, and changed over the last twenty-five millenia. The Republic in its most recent incarnation has existed in peace and prosperity for only a thousand years.

However, the Knights of the Old Republic role-playing game does depict the Galactic Republic in a waning period where the galactic people lack confidence and side with other local and competitive powers, precipitating the First Sith War, the Mandalorian War, and the Second Sith War. Between the Unification Wars, the Great Schism, the second Jedi schism, the Great Hyperspace War, the First Sith War, the Mandalorian Wars, the Second Sith War, and the Third Sith War, the Galactic Republic's peace and stability has been hardly constant.
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Where did you get all that info, Illuminatus?

So if I understand it correctly:

Unification Wars: ? Xim the Despot, perhaps?

Great Schism: ? First dark side vs light side Jedi order battle? Naga Sadow, Ajunta Pall, Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos?

Second Shism: ? Ditto?

Great Hyperspace War: ?

First Sith War: Exar Kun, right?

Mandalorian War: the war where Revan & Malak and their fellow Jedi led the Republic to victory as told in KOTOR

Second Sith War: Darth Revan & Darth Malak's subsequent war on the Republic fueled by their victorious forces from the Mandalorian War and the Rakatan ships of the Star Forge.

Third Sith War: 1,000 years before Yavin

As an aside,

I get the impression that you were meant to reclaim your identity as Darth Revan in KOTOR. Primarily because you can get your old robes back and look like a bad ass, and also because the Dark Side plot is so much more interesting. Not to mention the Jedi deserved to get their arse kicked for trying to control/mind-wipe a Sith Lord. :)
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Vympel wrote:Unification Wars: ? Xim the Despot, perhaps?
After Xim. See the Saxton interview on TF.net. Created the Galactic Republic.
Vympel wrote:Great Schism: ? First dark side vs light side Jedi order battle? Naga Sadow, Ajunta Pall, Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos?
Don't recognize the middle two names, but the first and last are Sith Lords associated with the Great Hyperspace War.

The Great Schism was the century-long war immediately following the founding of the Jedi Order, as some Jedi refused to honor to precepts of the Order and became Dark Jedi. The exiles of the Great Schism fled the galaxy and founded the Sith Empire.
Vympel wrote:Second Shism: ? Ditto?
Another Dark Jedi insurrection, little mentioned, but I remember it documented in TimeTales. I'll go find the source.
Vympel wrote:Great Hyperspace War: ?
The Sith Empire invades the galaxy and attempts to take Coruscant under Naga Sadow following Marka Ragnos' death. They're defeated.
Vympel wrote:First Sith War: Exar Kun, right?
Yup.
Vympel wrote:Mandalorian War: the war where Revan & Malak and their fellow Jedi led the Republic to victory as told in KOTOR
Yup.
Vympel wrote:Second Sith War: Darth Revan & Darth Malak's subsequent war on the Republic fueled by their victorious forces from the Mandalorian War and the Rakatan ships of the Star Forge.
Yup.
Vympel wrote:Third Sith War: 1,000 years before Yavin
Yeah, and this one may or may not include the insurrection 2,000 years before Yavin which ignited the return of the Sith. In which case it may be the Fourth Sith War, with the Third being 2,000 years. There were various clashes in that millenia before the Brotherhood was wiped out.
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Ajunta Pall and Tulak Hord are interred at Korriban in the tombs were Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos are as well- talking to the apparition of Ajunta Pall in KOTOR (a very repentant and forlorn Sith Lord, yet still with great power even as an apparition, and still quick to anger), he tells the story of how the Sith Lords of Korriban destroyed each other, him included. Leads me to suspect he must be contemporary with the other Sith Lords who went to Korriban.

(the tomb of Marka Ragnos in KOTOR is much different from the one in Jedi Academy- an annoying contradiction, but perhaps there are two- in any case, there are no bodies interred in any of the tombs in KOTOR)
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