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Attack of the Clones,
1. Instead of Obi-wan going after Jango Fett, Luke Skywalker runs out, same calibre as he was when he fought his father in ROTJ, same motivation, same drive.
2. Instead of Obi-wan / Anakin going after Dooku, its Obi-wan and Luke, how does this change things?
1. Instead of Obi-wan going after Jango Fett, Luke Skywalker runs out, same calibre as he was when he fought his father in ROTJ, same motivation, same drive.
2. Instead of Obi-wan / Anakin going after Dooku, its Obi-wan and Luke, how does this change things?
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Probably no change. However, Luke did face another sneaky bounty hunter (I don't know which one is better, Jango or Boba). That could count for something.Omega-13 wrote:Attack of the Clones,
1. Instead of Obi-wan going after Jango Fett, Luke Skywalker runs out, same calibre as he was when he fought his father in ROTJ, same motivation, same drive.
This assumes Luke is in the role of the Padawan, and given his relationship with Obi-wan the fight would go a lot smoother than originally. It's likely that combined Luke/Obi-wan drive off Dooku; it's possible that they beat him, but if Yoda couldn't do it then... *shrugs*2. Instead of Obi-wan / Anakin going after Dooku, its Obi-wan and Luke, how does this change things?
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I'm pretty sure Boba is better than Jango, since he has Jango's training, plus several decades of experience on top of that. But as I recall, his fight with Luke was too short to be decisive, ending on a fluke.Stofsk wrote:Probably no change. However, Luke did face another sneaky bounty hunter (I don't know which one is better, Jango or Boba). That could count for something.
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I don't think it ended on that much of a fluke, Luke was fighting 10 other guys, and deflecting blaster bolts from Jabba's barge.Darth Yoshi wrote:I'm pretty sure Boba is better than Jango, since he has Jango's training, plus several decades of experience on top of that. But as I recall, his fight with Luke was too short to be decisive, ending on a fluke.Stofsk wrote:Probably no change. However, Luke did face another sneaky bounty hunter (I don't know which one is better, Jango or Boba). That could count for something.
With all those distractions, he still managed to slice boba's blaster in half, and deflect a blaster bolt into his rocket pack
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Not only would their teamwork be better, ROTJ Luke was much calmer individual and wouldn't have gone charging in, meaning that he'd be working with Obi-Wan from the beginning of the fight. Even if they just drag out the fight, one or both might still be standing when Yoda arrives which bodes badly for Dooku.Stofsk wrote:This assumes Luke is in the role of the Padawan, and given his relationship with Obi-wan the fight would go a lot smoother than originally.
He wasn't doing either one of those when at the moment he was fighting Boba Fett. He'd eliminated the guards on his skiff and the other skiff hadn't gotten close enough to start shooting at them yet (the second skiff pulls up alongside the first one and starts firing after Fett went down the first time).Omega-13 wrote:I don't think it ended on that much of a fluke, Luke was fighting 10 other guys, and deflecting blaster bolts from Jabba's barge.
I think the latter was just a bad shot -- the scene cuts from the barge gun firing to the blast hitting right behind Boba Fett. It never showed Luke deflecting it.With all those distractions, he still managed to slice boba's blaster in half, and deflect a blaster bolt into his rocket pack
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The rocket pack part was Han accidently hitting it.Omega-13 wrote:With all those distractions, he still managed to slice boba's blaster in half, and deflect a blaster bolt into his rocket pack
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Han hit his jetpack yes, but when luke was wrapped up, he managed to deflect a blaster bolt with his lightsabre coming from the barge and hit boba with itMontcalm wrote:The rocket pack part was Han accidently hitting it.Omega-13 wrote:With all those distractions, he still managed to slice boba's blaster in half, and deflect a blaster bolt into his rocket pack
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Maybe in pure training and sparing abilities, because luke never had the chance to do that, but if you both of theml, luke had so much more drive and passion, making up for what he might not have in pure technical abilities.PainRack wrote:However, Luke Skywalker wasn't as good a duelist as Anakin was in AOTC.
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I wasn't particularly impressed by Anakin's dueling abilities anyway, so I doubt Luke's lack of training will be any better or worse than originally; what will change is Luke's and Obi-wan's co-ordination, which would help out a lot more. Dooku handled himself well 1-on-1, but if he couldn't break up Luke and Ben, then he'd be in a worse position when Yoda finally turns up (and he's only minutes away). Then it'll be 3-on-1, and Dooku will have no choice but to withdraw. That's assuming he can even do so - I'm tempted to say Luke and Obi-wan can nail him, or at least drive him away from his escape vehicle.PainRack wrote:However, Luke Skywalker wasn't as good a duelist as Anakin was in AOTC.
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I share this view completely, what do you think of luke and jango ?Stofsk wrote:I wasn't particularly impressed by Anakin's dueling abilities anyway, so I doubt Luke's lack of training will be any better or worse than originally; what will change is Luke's and Obi-wan's co-ordination, which would help out a lot more. Dooku handled himself well 1-on-1, but if he couldn't break up Luke and Ben, then he'd be in a worse position when Yoda finally turns up (and he's only minutes away). Then it'll be 3-on-1, and Dooku will have no choice but to withdraw. That's assuming he can even do so - I'm tempted to say Luke and Obi-wan can nail him, or at least drive him away from his escape vehicle.PainRack wrote:However, Luke Skywalker wasn't as good a duelist as Anakin was in AOTC.
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I doubt there would be any real change, as Obi-wan is pretty damn experienced and even he couldn't defeat Jango squarely. If we ignore plot requirements (that needed Jango to escape to Geonosis with Obi-wan following him in) then strictly speaking either one of them should have just been able to force push him into a wall, or in Luke's case choke him for a bit (there's them Dark Side points... ) then apprehend him as he's on the floor struggling to breath. If Boba decides to open up with the ship's cannons then just remember force speed and an open hatchway.Omega-13 wrote:I share this view completely, what do you think of luke and jango ?
But to be honest, I think Jango still gets away. Luke using choke might prompt less of a fight and more of a retreat, but still.
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Luke was swinging his lightsaber to cut the rope he was snared in. The blast hits the skiff behind Boba Fett at the same time and the blast stuns him. Unless there's a detail on the widescreen I'm missing (I only have the fullscreen available for reference here), there's no evidence that the blast knocking out Fett was anything other than a bad shot from the gunner on the barge (said gunner having made other equally lousy shots earlier in the scene) that turned out to be lucky for Luke.Omega-13 wrote:Han hit his jetpack yes, but when luke was wrapped up, he managed to deflect a blaster bolt with his lightsabre coming from the barge and hit boba with it
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That cripple has been shown capable of killing powerful Jedi Masters like the Dark Woman.
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Well, Lucas's quote referred to the duel in TESB, which was kind of a mess. Untrained boy fighting cripple would be a pretty accurate description of it, even if Luke did grow powerful enough to defeat fallen Jedi Masters later on.
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