All About the Eclipse Star Destroyer

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-04 10:50pm

My friend and I got into a debate as to where the Eclipse was created. Where was it created and the second one too please? Would the Eclipse be able to ram sn SSD and sill live to talk about it. Which is bigger, SSD or ESD? I love this ship and I just want to know more then what they say in the Essential Guides.

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Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-05 12:53am

Where was it created and the second one too please?

Deep Core Yards. Possibly a Kaut design.

Would the Eclipse be able to ram sn SSD and sill live to talk about it.

Probably not. An Executor is close enough in terms of mass and sheilding that a collision is likely to damage both ships. Depending on how they impact they might survive it or they might not.

Which is bigger, SSD or ESD?

A Executor is slightly longer but it masses less than the Eclipse.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-01-05 01:06am

For info: http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/ESSD.html

I don't know about the ramming, IIRC an Eclipse was destroyed by it being rammed into the Galatic Gun.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-05 01:18am

Stormbringer wrote:A Executor is slightly longer but it masses less than the Eclipse.

To clarify: Eclipse certainly masses at least twice as much as an Executor, and probably more like 3-4 times as much.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-01-05 01:35am

Techno_Union wrote:My friend and I got into a debate as to where the Eclipse was created. Where was it created and the second one too please?

Both were created by Kuat Drive Yards at Kuat, though the first one had to escape from a Republic assault and was completed at Byss.

Would the Eclipse be able to ram sn SSD and sill live to talk about it.

If we're talking nose-to-nose and at high speed, both ships would most likely recieve extreme damage and would probably both be disabled.

Which is bigger, SSD or ESD?

All the material I've read points to the ESSD being twice as big as an SSD. And if the Executor was 17.8 kilometers long, the Eclipse would likely be close to 34-35 klicks.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-01-05 01:42am

Kuja wrote:All the material I've read points to the ESSD being twice as big as an SSD. And if the Executor was 17.8 kilometers long, the Eclipse would likely be close to 34-35 klicks.

Twice the mass. Not the length.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-05 02:15am

When the Rebel attacked Kuat, what happened? I know the Eclipse got out but how much damage did the Rebels do?

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-01-05 02:35am

Crayz9000 wrote:Twice the mass. Not the length.

Oh.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2004-01-05 02:42pm

Twice the mass. Not the length.

Yeah, one more misconception that can be chalked up to WEG. Why no one, not WEG, not the authors of the Encyclopedia or EGV&V, thought to scale the Executor, is beyond me. So any quote saying that the Eclipse's 17.5 km length makes it twice as long as the Executor is making use of erronious information that came out of a misunderstanding of what an ILM modelmaker said 20 some odd years ago.

On another note, the Axial Superlaser on the Eclipse is stated to have two thirds the firepower of the Death Star's gun, even though it is said to only have the power to crack a planets crust, which would require many orders of magnitude less power then what the Death Star did to Alderaan.

[Edited due to premature posting]

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2004-01-05 02:48pm

Twice the mass. Not the length.

Yeah, one more misconception that can be chalked up to WEG. Why no one, not WEG, not the authors of the Encyclopedia or EGV&V, thought to scale the Executor, is beyond me. So any quote saying that the Eclipse's 17.5 km length makes it twice as long as the Executor is making use of erronious information that came out of a misunderstanding of what an ILM modelmaker said 20 some odd years ago.

On another note, the

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2004-01-05 03:44pm

On another note, the Axial Superlaser on the Eclipse is stated to have two thirds the firepower of the Death Star's gun, even though it is said to only have the power to crack a planets crust, which would require many orders of magnitude less power then what the Death Star did to Alderaan.

See the Dark Empire Sourcebook p.88. The Axial SL has 2/3 the power of the DS1 SL. It also states that the Axial SL can only crack the crust of a planet after penetrating the planets sheilds. The DE source book is the first official source to quantify the power of the Eclipse's SL; the latter entries in EGV&W is the result of typically shitty EU research.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2004-01-05 04:22pm

Spartan wrote:
On another note, the Axial Superlaser on the Eclipse is stated to have two thirds the firepower of the Death Star's gun, even though it is said to only have the power to crack a planets crust, which would require many orders of magnitude less power then what the Death Star did to Alderaan.
See the Dark Empire Sourcebook p.88. The Axial SL has 2/3 the power of the DS1 SL. It also states that the Axial SL can only crack the crust of a planet after penetrating the planets sheilds. The DE source book is the first official source to quantify the power of the Eclipse's SL; the latter entries in EGV&W is the result of typically shitty EU research.

The DS1's superlaser also had to penetrate a planetary shield, and was still able to shatter Alderaan. That 2/3 statement is just plain wrong.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-01-05 04:30pm

Spartan wrote:
On another note, the Axial Superlaser on the Eclipse is stated to have two thirds the firepower of the Death Star's gun, even though it is said to only have the power to crack a planets crust, which would require many orders of magnitude less power then what the Death Star did to Alderaan.
See the Dark Empire Sourcebook p.88. The Axial SL has 2/3 the power of the DS1 SL. It also states that the Axial SL can only crack the crust of a planet after penetrating the planets sheilds. The DE source book is the first official source to quantify the power of the Eclipse's SL; the latter entries in EGV&W is the result of typically shitty EU research.

It would still be planet-scattering firepower even if 2/3 the firepower of the DS's superlaser. (It would also still be able to punch through planetary shielding - Alderaan's held off the Death Star for only a small fraction of a second...

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2004-01-05 04:32pm

Jim Raynor wrote:
Spartan wrote:
On another note, the Axial Superlaser on the Eclipse is stated to have two thirds the firepower of the Death Star's gun, even though it is said to only have the power to crack a planets crust, which would require many orders of magnitude less power then what the Death Star did to Alderaan.
See the Dark Empire Sourcebook p.88. The Axial SL has 2/3 the power of the DS1 SL. It also states that the Axial SL can only crack the crust of a planet after penetrating the planets sheilds. The DE source book is the first official source to quantify the power of the Eclipse's SL; the latter entries in EGV&W is the result of typically shitty EU research.
The DS1's superlaser also had to penetrate a planetary shield, and was still able to shatter Alderaan. That 2/3 statement is just plain wrong.

Unless you're talking about orders of magnitude in which case we could supposse it is 2/3rds of the orders of magntiude less powerful (in other words if the DS1 SL was 1e33J then the ESSD one would be 1e22J)

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2004-01-05 04:53pm

Could someone delete that second post of mine (and this one)?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-05 05:16pm

Hell....even the DS Prototype is more powerfull that the Eclipse.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-01-05 05:56pm

There is also a reference to it "searing an entire continent in an instant". So find the surface area of asia and figure out hwo much energy to just BDZ that part.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-01-05 05:59pm

And since "instant" is relative, you can scale the specific definition to 2/3rd's power output of the DSI.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-05 06:13pm

And think about that:

If the Eclipse superlaser is truely 2/3 the power of the DS1, whey the heck have they even built the DS? They could have simply built the Eclipse without the DS, since it would do the job as well.
Therefore the 2/3 figure is bullshit and wrong.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-05 08:39pm

When the Eclipse fires its superlaser and it hits a planet(no shields on planet), what are going to be the affects? Will it be a huge crack, entire contenent destroyed, or all life is destroyed but the planet is still there? Also in the story Conquest on this site, it says the Eclipse fired its superlaser and destroyed the Moon(large pieces of the Moon were still there), would this be possible?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-05 08:47pm

The only instance of an Eclipse using its superlaser (that I can think of) is when it destroyed the "Pinnacle Moon". If I'm not mistaken, that was the moon of a gas giant, and would have been almost as large as an Earth-size planet. The blast cracked the surface and destabilized the core, rendering the moon unihabitable. The Moon is much smaller and the blast would have been sufficient to disintegrate it. Again, that superlaser can't be 2/3rds as powerful as the Death Star's. If the Death Star can vaporize an unshielded Earth-size planet, 2/3rds of that would have had a similar effect on the Moon. In Conquest it was blasted into large shards. Part of the Empire's plan to get the Federation to surrender Earth was the threat posed by the Moon's leftovers.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-05 08:50pm

The Eclipse did not destroy Da Soocha V. The Galaxy Gun did with one of her intelligent hyperspace projectiles.

Conquest is irrelevent and cannot be used as evidence. Its fanfiction.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-05 08:52pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Eclipse did not destroy Da Soocha V. The Galaxy Gun did with one of her intelligent hyperspace projectiles.

My mistake, I had no idea. When was an Eclipse superlaser used then? Ship to ship combat? Was it ever used on a planetoid?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-05 09:07pm

Its never been observed used, ever.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-05 10:22pm

Conquest is irrelevent and cannot be used as evidence. Its fanfiction.

I was not trying to use it as evidence, I was simply asking if the Eclipse would be able to do that.